From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 08:58:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA24106566C; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532178FC0A; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DAD2A56173; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:58:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:58:52 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Daniel Eischen Message-ID: <20120120085852.GB32491@lonesome.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:58:43 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd , Igor Mozolevsky Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:58:53 -0000 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 06:45:17PM -0500, Daniel Eischen wrote: > The problem I have with ports is that there is not a -stable branch > that tracks with -stable core. We've been working for 18 months to try to get the hardware infrastructure in place to be able to consider such approaches. > It doesn't even have to be every port, just the commonly used ports. That's easy in theory, but extremely difficult in practice. The infra- sturcture is far more heavyweight (because of demand for features) than most people give it credit for. There's no concept of "subset of ports tree". Go examine the hierarchy and it will become apparent why. Even a "server-only" concept doesn't get you as far as you might think. Again, "the general problem is hard". mcl