From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 6 14:15:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F8937B400 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160CA43E72 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86LFcGd043550; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g86LFcwL043547; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Joshua Lee Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com, , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <20020905202312.162a6a63.yid@softhome.net> Message-ID: <20020906140625.S22067-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Joshua Lee wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:31:03 -0700 (PDT) > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Joshua Lee wrote: > > > "Truth" is not the realm of science, science is the art of > > > describing repeated empherical observations with rational > > > mathematics. :-) As such it is as theological as the computer > > > program I am using to compose this message; though indeed some, > > > mostly laymen, do try to make it into a pseudo-religion. (Compte > > > being a case in point.) > > > > This is completely irrational. Truth comes to us both from general > > revelation (the creation) and special revelation. All truth is God's > > truth. See Psalm 19. > > Yes, but science isn't Truth. If you're looking for proofs, the math department is down the hall. If what you mean is that the procedures of science are not truth, then I certainly agree. But if you are claiming that science does not discover truth, I would vehemently disagree. It is true, for example, that penicillin cures many diseases that were once considered fatal. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message