From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:23:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596EC1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-137.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-137.bluehost.com [67.222.39.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1908B8FC21 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 32500 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=l8P5YC1quijYgeEsZo5moRCrRV/2SR3qXFMG6BX+0aeV3b3yxnxdQXVHBtTTqq8+fw/0SB9552+TY940J4igi+A/jaT7uc8ppZkCbCRKaxzugJ/vLTZmmLj/5Z0eajIq; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCMn5-0000m2-Ay for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:55 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:26 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215232326.GC61220@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 -0000 --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > > > above, is verboten. > > >=20 > > > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > > > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > > > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > > > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > > > reproduce them. > >=20 > > I said anything covered by patent. If the software is not covered by > > patent, you're fine to write software. Be aware, though, that a lot of > > patents are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be > > extended via case law at a later date. > >=20 > > Nothing is "legal" under the current US system unless you can defend it > > in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. >=20 > That doesn't sound like a good system (US not yours) - how on earth did > it get so screwed up? (Thats rhetorical btw, I don't mean to start a > whole discussion on that topic on this list.) It's much the same everywhere, from what I've seen. The problems just arise in different guises. Usually, judging by my observations, they arise in large part because of the common notion that a problem can be fixed with more of the behavior that created the problem in the first place. =2E . . but beyond that, I'd probably start a flame war, so I don't think I want to get more specific on the list. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Reginald Braithwaite: "Nor is it as easy as piling more features on regardless of how well they fit or whether people will actually use them. Otherwise Windows would have 97% of the market and OS X 3%. (Oh wait.)" --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklG5u4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUmewCeJ4brcP35ovjwvqGO123N9dL/ d1IAnj65MIdzRJdgclhP6Lx0BRcexxyu =fm9G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN--