From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 11:56:56 2000 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 11:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE8C37B400; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 149umf-0005JA-00; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:56:49 +0000 Received: from [204.203.2.185] (helo=gazelle) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp id 149ume-00039m-00; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:56:49 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001223120439.00935100@mail.accessone.com> X-Sender: bokr@mail.accessone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:04:39 -0800 To: opentrax@email.com From: Bengt Richter Subject: Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200012222337.PAA20885@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are clueless as to the effect of your word choices. Thank you for reading that. Please note that I am not writing this to flame, but in an attempt to be helpful ;-) At 15:37 2000-12-22 -0800 opentrax@email.com wrote: >Thank you for your attention. Your subject line got my attention, but so would having someone tug at my sleeve, or worse impertinence. How about "Please help me prepare for SSH talk" ? > >Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. If you don't know that the above sentence strongly implies the existence of the referred-to "evils," may I suggest that you attend an English refresher. (Please don't tell me an empty set can exist). If you are going to invite others to express their opinions, the implicit assertion of your own as unqualified fact is not a good starting point. >The talk schedule is posted on: >http://www.svbug.com/events/ >I've already circulated this message to the OpenBSD >'tech' mailing list and the NetBSD 'security' mailing >list. Now, I've like to hear from the FreeBSD community. > >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter >than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. Your foreplay stinks. You are trying to take advantage of my natural interest, but your approach forces me to overcome negative feelings before I can participate, which I would otherwise willingly do. It's a shame, really. >Please note, I'm not here to flame or troll, just >ask questions. Your responses determine the tone >of all conversations. > Your subject line resonated with the tone of crass attention grabbing. Do you disclaim all responsibility re tone, after thus giving everyone a goosing in an area of interest? If you are used that, you watch too much TV. >Lastly, please trim the CC: line as you feel appropriate. > > > Thanks. > Jessem. That's ok. HTH. Really. Regards, Bengt Richter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message