From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 13:59:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BB15A8E79 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2j6d2j5fz4XWZ for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id y1so15381847ljm.10 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OuqJ9//Rt86P1Zf8aXdF73LveZ1IwebBNCdXqywyxXs=; b=wXeN7o8YzxSHDsuxkLfoUv3GpK3l4QufSsFk97oSQidE/2JZCgNXIu5jqGQVxqawXp K4oX1qhnO0dui6IEZEle8KsUUKvGRzdGA1hNjZYS2sPb0w4DfecylRmboIrukjSzOGMX s1sivbb0Fvo9/rdIPaeJ7MkP+GZ92juRZy78VlQFA3J5ApinnLk0Mbivdy2A5tK9OhF+ i7oeMLoGEUF3aUk6x3PYLIuMG3ssEwO1RIblh/qhKd8xU6mzmYng86JF5fg4haOG5zB5 mzD1Sz0BDMCG8UB1vfPONGnPRsfiCF0eEjbXA0P0ovfd4snbM9rISPnsXts/44rco1jB TBsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=OuqJ9//Rt86P1Zf8aXdF73LveZ1IwebBNCdXqywyxXs=; b=J1X7e3CzeqGhNBu2W87ZkG1clwRCVK5IsRGi8unuEcivgXbO3DAIYI+A/zlz7vTPu0 Rm0Fx010NHrZORoiwI8oWYMMR/HLQgar0BsvS9ANUFmPR/UepWd0MUGb/OqaFIYgQ//q n8dxBj3kwilXehKP5qa2z/hvXxnr/Q3Sq2giQR6BnLMNvavxWZ8NVxADEnRLbvWYA6Tw B1giY9cgH2fuYoAuDDeWk6UVBmR+TFzu8XpcZJ0KbRpyPQAd/azGUjWzRc79KhEPwTRs XX2qSQlSJE509jNC6ihjoFu32QfxWuKKiVqPlTYFGDeofg9BKqZ4VI1p1C5dbEJbtDoh HzrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533TJi1Vkciab12HWCt1c5/AMRbU441Q5TAIPJBcAnlHpzwxDNho 8I2VFUvadYN3HKZc6n7st/GWWNDhjHfxk9VS1PEm0O23afQ2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxPUFDRz2t6YyOmfRwFxK6Ij+hBtbwxIHksBSfqM7ib/TPqxKXkcJjvWg9sBlN5iOKE5MaWARPAyQ1fXS75ZpM= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5b9:: with SMTP id f25mr3945049ljn.90.1616248742871; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:59:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <20210320063427.000040f5@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Mohammad Noureldin Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:58:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2j6d2j5fz4XWZ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=wXeN7o8Y; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mohammad@thelightbird.com does not designate 2a00:1450:4864:20::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mohammad@thelightbird.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[thelightbird.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::235:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::235:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::235:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:59:06 -0000 Hi Tomasz, Well said! On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 14:21 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry wrote: > > > I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not > > install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation > > of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the > > screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. > > > > By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the > > use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. > > > > What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > > were able to get it right. > > > > -- > > Jerry > > > > Hey Jerry :-) > > Please just rebuild and install new kernel, at least to see if that fixes > your problem :-) > > This is a standard procedure when you find a problem, it seems identified, > workaround seems available, a least try if that works for you :-) > > I also use custom compliled kernel to get my Touchpad working on a > non-standard configuration. Until fix is ready and does not break > configuration for others I need to work that way because this is a problem > with _my_setup_. It seems that your problem seems similar. > > Look on the other hand you are helping others not to have this problem in > future.. developers are going through this way everyday and we usually have > broken or incomplete setup just to help others not to have such problems. > With new hardware showing up faster and faster, using their own standards, > or enforcing linux like solutions thing are and will get even worse. This > is not really the issue with FreeBSD, it only gets impacted by this > "bleeding edge" approach around :-) > > Because of drivers I have chosen Linux over FreeBSD around 1999 on my first > desktop PC. Then when Linux kernel api started changing with every minor > release, and when the stable USB stack was created by HPS, I have abandoned > Linux for good and FreeBSD is my ultimate OS of the choice. I even prefer > FreeBSD over OSX/macOS. The problem of quickly changing things and breaking > compatibility is the Linux by design. You will find many more problems like > this over there. We are experiencing this kind of issues here because world > has changed that way unfortunately. > > I can see three effective solutions here: > 1. Use Alt+F2 to switch away from terminal flood and recompile your kernel. > 2. Maybe XHCI/USB3.0 controller can/could be disabled at runtime in > bootloader so it wont be active and the workaround can be ready with no > kernel recompile. > 3. Provide a hardware and development fee for a person that is willing to > fix the problem for you. This will cost time and money but there is a > chance that you will get the fix one day just using freebsd-update :-) > > Free Softwate is free to use, but is really cost developers life time and > all other technical resources and experiences. Just imagine how many > problems of this kind developers have everyday. Most of them work for free > in their free time, but they also need to pay the bills. > > Best regards :-) > Tomek > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >