From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 13:10:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E290106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2C98FC29 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F883CC06; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SDAPj6002120; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tony McC Message-Id: <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:28 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +0000, Tony McC wrote: > You seem to want everything to just work without > having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? > [...] > But my > guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a > Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a "please go away and let us get on > with using FreeBSD", it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion > you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In "Windows", things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises "Windows" for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working "Flash" plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of "strange" mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...