From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 3 14: 3:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267FF37B401; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F3E43F75; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13M3Li02574; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:03:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:03:21 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Robert Watson Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Message-ID: <20030203170321.I1455@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.9-12smp i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Watson wrote: > The short of it is that Matt was unable to treat many of his fellow > developers with the civility and respect that they deserve. Presumably this was on -developers or in private mail, since I can't find any serious examples in the other archives in the recent past, but on the contrary, several extremely helpful discussions from him (on the new scheduler, disk cache expiry etc). As you say, occasional disagreements and flames are a fact of life. However, as a lurker and a rather rare poster on the "technical" lists, my impression is that Matt is one of the most friendly, enthusiastic and genuinely helpful people around (apart from his unquestioned merits as a hacker). If rudeness is a criterion for having a commit bit removed, surely there must have been several candidates ahead of Matt in the queue. Or maybe it was they who eventually squashed him. > I'd ask that those passing judgement on > this action take into account that this was given long and hard > consideration, and that it was not a decision taken lightly or without > regret. I appreciate that, of course. That doesn't mean the decision doesn't worry me (or, I imagine, many other people here). I also scan the linux kernel mailing list now and then, and the flamewars there dwarf those on the freebsd lists by orders of magnitude. Nevertheless, things continue, nobody (afaik) is thrown out for bad behaviour -- at worst, Linus insists on an intermediary to filter the discussion/patches -- and very few have ever walked away in a huff. Newcomers are made to feel welcome. In contrast, time and again newbies complain about the elitist attitude of FreeBSD. That can be excused, or at least "argued away", but throwing out someone of the calibre of Matt Dillon is beyond belief. Maybe that's the real reason linux is more successful in the real world. At least the FreeBSD core team should think about it. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message