From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 18:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7814537B8D6 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 84366 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2000 01:56:25 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 84320 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 01:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.89) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 01:56:24 -0000 Message-ID: <394593ED.7278E04C@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:52:45 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: James Diefenderfer , Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <05c401bfd4cd$52956590$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote: > Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid > proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first > starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've > already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a week. > > The ones I've struck recently > came with really evil > componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS > videocards etc, so-I'm glad someone else shares my views on these cards. 8^) > they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and > found the company > support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with > current range of > computers.- You might want to add NEC to this list. I had such a hard time > with my NEC PowerMate v133 at work, that I had to abandon my Linux partition I > had on it. I could barely get NT 4.0 to work with the on board SiS 6205 video > card. The sound card was a fight too but less of one than the video. Oh > well, I'm finally cured of the "dual-boot" disease. Heh Heh.. > --------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Doug Young wrote:

Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid
proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a week.
 
 The ones I've struck recently
came with really evil
componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS
videocards etc, so-I'm glad someone else shares my views on these cards. 8^)
they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and
found the company
support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with
current range of
computers.- You might want to add NEC to this list.  I had such a hard time with my NEC PowerMate v133 at work, that I had to abandon my Linux partition I had on it.  I could barely get NT 4.0 to work with the on board SiS 6205 video card.  The sound card was a fight too but less of one than the video.  Oh well, I'm finally cured of the "dual-boot" disease.  Heh Heh..
 
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