From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 13:36:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6149F16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gulfgate-inc.com (mail.gulfgate-inc.com [64.1.98.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A5543D6D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpf@inodes.us) Received: (qmail 56705 invoked by uid 85); 9 Jan 2004 21:37:34 -0000 Received: from mpf@inodes.us by linkdead.beatlab.org by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4248. spamassassin: 2.x. Clear:. Processed in 0.986337 secs); 09 Jan 2004 21:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inodes.us) (mfreitag@gulfgateequipment.com@192.168.0.4) by 192.168.0.40 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 21:37:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3FFF1EBE.9020405@inodes.us> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:35:58 -0600 From: Matt Freitag User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20040109224028.P32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> In-Reply-To: <20040109224028.P32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:36:54 -0000 Narvi wrote: >>"M. Warner Losh" writes: >> >> >> >>>Whatever. I've consulted lawyers on this who assure me that it is >>>legal. You've admitted to not knowing US Copyright law and are aguing >>>emotion, which is why I didn't reply to the rest of your message. >>> >>> >> >It is not clear that there is a way - as things stand - to get to a point >where this wouldnot be the case. In appears very doubtful there is such a >way unless you can get to get everybody whose code has been ever commited >to send in a real written on paper copyright transfer, the chances of >which are essentialy 0, even should you be able to trace down all >involved. > > So there are cases of code by authors being committed into the codebase without their knowledge/consent? This would be a problem. If code is being committed against license, I definitely see an issue here. However, If you /GIVE/ your IP to the FreeBSD community, it's no longer yours. Either way, apparently you'll never make everyone happy, even as hundreds (or thousands) of people give away their time to produce something at no cost to you, there's still always going to be someone complaining. (We refer to this as a sense of entitlement - Many people have this, and it's an unfortunate growing fad all over.) If you don't want your code in FreeBSD, don't submit it. Anyone going to pursue some indictments against Coyote Point Systems? Since their load-balancing hardware runs FreeBSD, and I don't believe (I'm unsure, but from the info I've gotten, it doesn't sound like it.) that they give you any of the source with your purchase of their hardware, Hmm.... -mpf +---- - - | Resistance is futile, assimilation into the FreeBSD community is inevitable.