From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:33:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C3116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailhub02.unibe.ch (mailhub02-skge0.unibe.ch [130.92.9.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B8343D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roth@droopy.unibe.ch) Received: from localhost (scanhub02-eth0.unibe.ch [130.92.254.66]) by mailhub02.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5528A764A5; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhub02.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.53]) by localhost (scanhub02.unibe.ch [130.92.254.66]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05031-01-68; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from asterix.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub02.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E15976456; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from droopy.unibe.ch (droopy [130.92.64.20]) by asterix.unibe.ch (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j19GWwN21001; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:32:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from roth@localhost) by droopy.unibe.ch (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id j19GXIex024319; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:33:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:33:17 +0100 From: Tobias Roth To: Ryan Sommers Message-ID: <20050209163317.GA24282@droopy.unibe.ch> References: <20050209145329.GA27679@wirehub.nl> <20050209152511.62367.qmail@web26801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050209154131.GA24122@droopy.unibe.ch> <50141.208.4.77.66.1107965096.squirrel@208.4.77.66> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50141.208.4.77.66.1107965096.squirrel@208.4.77.66> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-message-flag: Warning! Using Outlook is insecure and promotes virus distribution. Please use a different email client. X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The case for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:33:01 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:04:56AM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > Tobias Roth said: > > My favorite quote from that article: > > > > "In addition, the project is also working on porting baselayout to > > Gentoo/FreeBSD in such a way that makes the management of startup > > services as easy as in Gentoo Linux." > > > > They cannot possibly be serious... > > Personally, instead of laughing at them I think we need to embrace their > efforts. I still prefer to lauch at them. > Corporate development and backing is one area Linux has the clear > advantage over FreeBSD and something like the Gentoo name coupled with > FreeBSD can help spread the word. Gentoo doesn't exactly have a reputation for being an industry-strength and stable GNU/Linux distribution. It's more like the cutting-edge hacker type distribution (which can be a nice thing, of course). In my opinion, the effect this will have is more like: "Hmm, portage on FreeBSD. I guess the FreeBSD ports system must be inferior to portage, or else they wouldn't attempt to port portage to FreeBSD." (dito for the init system) > I applaud their effort to merge FreeBSD with their own projects. If they would have tried the other direction (ie, FreeBSD ports/init system with a Linux based system), I would applaud as well. This killer combo for everyone who wants/needs a Linux kernel would instantly wipe out all other general purpose GNU/Linux distributions. > While I > think they might be a little stuck in the Linux way of seperating userland > and kernel, "In a separate effort we are also looking into porting the > glibc and GNU userland to the FreeBSD kernel". We might be able to > convince them to our side of the BSD vs GPL fence. It's not possible to convert GPL-licenced code (eg glibc) to a BSD licensed- one. cheers, t.