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A few comments: On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Why we would need this at all? Aren't mailing lists with archives not good enough, or even better? In a nutshell, the idea is to facilitate communication up to modern norms. While I respectfully do not agree that email is sufficient, supposing that was the case, it is not what people currently use. On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > There already exists one active channel and it does get used. I think the OP > just wants an official stamp of approval and maybe a blurb on the webpage > pointing to the channel. Essentially, yes. Interesting to hear about the other various clients. I used to use a plugin for WeeChat, so it was a seamless migration from IRC. You can view public rooms via a browser, such as here: https://view.matrix.org/. This means we could potentially provide a permanent URL to a public chat room for reference, whereas IRC is ephemeral. On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, at 8:01 PM, O'Connor, Daniel wrote: > > > > On 18 Aug 2020, at 05:50, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > 17.08.2020 21:36, Farhan Khan wrote: > >> > >> I am a long-time IRC user. I see that FreeBSD recognizes the EFnet and FreeNode channels as official, as listed here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels. While it continues to serve the community, there are major limitations and I feel that it might be time to migrate towards a replacement. > >> > >> The "market" of communication going forward is clearly shifting towards more feature-ful protocols, such as Slack, Discord or Gitter. The only open-source and viable option in this class systems that I see Matrix. There is an active FreeBSD channel located at #FreeBSD:matrix.org, along with a few other BSD-related channels. > >> > >> I propose making this an officially recognized channel for FreeBSD communication and encouraging migration from IRC to Matrix. > > > > What is Matrix's level of support for FreeBSD? > > Is there native FreeBSD client? > > Is there native FreeBSD server? > > The server is in ports - net/py-matrix-synapse > A client is available also - net-im/nheko > > I've only run the server on FreeBSD but it worked well enough. > > -- > Daniel O'Connor > "The nice thing about standards is that there > are so many of them to choose from." > -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > > -- Farhan Khan PGP Fingerprint: 1312 89CE 663E 1EB2 179C 1C83 C41D 2281 F8DA C0DE