From owner-freebsd-python@freebsd.org Thu Nov 12 16:13:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-python@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D76A2D87F for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AC11EA1 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 01423A2D87C; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: python@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CEBA2D87B; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A9B1EA0; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from koobs.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so68816093pac.3; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UEL5mZgfoXr8usqfKa9CHVSWwGjOUoKdaeWfUrPdHYA=; b=VP4xrw85sMKRfACdYW4oD0HTTroeqjzCa3R8BtA6WgUCGrRgUiQYG7K/vdi40tlAsN gzrpHIqTMhsmtZ6it3zq94/FZvrC7pbKMi6622VcVO3aXtu1tITdYnAVWH0RVCXqI1GL JWOZHdgnUrYZqT6yn9fIDD9n60thGw/3r858YLuGnPGfxcMlIhFvN+YjdTheYBkZx6a0 e4/XRPeHAUxfWD6rm5lrhVGq6uzWxPX90e0mh4XJr+VJCBoyE+WVwqXq+LR8ZVi/iz8i vVAM8ekmaBQ4PH59FS+bEFUf+FWbLeQy6wsy6es4iXk9O1EiafnixVLD4MhTBm8L5Ii/ XIDQ== X-Received: by 10.67.24.97 with SMTP id ih1mr24298647pad.65.1447344780391; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:44b8:31ae:7b01:d06c:e63f:c1f0:dfb5? (2001-44b8-31ae-7b01-d06c-e63f-c1f0-dfb5.static.ipv6.internode.on.net. [2001:44b8:31ae:7b01:d06c:e63f:c1f0:dfb5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f5sm6972531pas.8.2015.11.12.08.12.58 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:12:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: Kubilay Kocak Reply-To: koobs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Python default versions References: To: Craig Rodrigues , Carmel NY Cc: FreeBSD Ports , python@FreeBSD.org From: Kubilay Kocak Message-ID: <5644BA83.1070400@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:12:51 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/42.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-python@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Python issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:13:01 -0000 On 13/11/2015 3:02 AM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > >> >> I was just wondering if there is any serious consideration to at least >> changing the FreeBSD default version to "3.x". > > > > It's actually a lot of work to update all the Python packages to work > with Python 3, since at the language level there are changes which make > valid Python 2 code a syntax error in Python 3. In the Linux world, both > Ubuntu and Fedora have huge > efforts to make Python 3 the default. They are not done yet: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/3 > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default > > Probably when one or both of those projects are done, > it will be much easier for FreeBSD to change the default, > since the Linux guys will have fixed a lot of the packages that FreeBSD > uses. > Most likely they will be done by next year. > > -- > Craig It's also important to remember the distinction between 'defaulting' to 3.x, and requiring all things to work with 3.x. I don't believe we'd necessarily require the latter, in requiring/wanting the former, as long as the 2.x stack remained fully supported. One of the things we'd *certainly* need before tackling this, is the official package repositories building *at least* 2.7 *and* the default 3.x version of packages. Ideally all python versions.