From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 20 22:15:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995C9106564A for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root1101@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C368FC0C for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so1585084lbo.13 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3fIIAU/NYegFvGCq9LLTnhl9QZnNxoF5KcW0Uv/kZNw=; b=s7zVFIKBgLa5rTZTRNXKPOeoi4wm6fIykPBJj+cDBzJTO6egUQFmuCNPWN0IUF7dpv aNhxG+bMzt1oCT8tLOdvSPksrWAwLl2/3x22++8P1mlk3rQFbVWFUgxSn3h1lF/6ZtzS CY0rN2yxJPN0kYEib5zRmIjCK8/VvuY+b+OA4/wRzZaodiQ45yTXx0ZQXhmd5/Ik1tGF Hi3Mz9EFAATDdYRDghqQMa/oHt2xdtmyDFVbhDxGdLOBaXk1OlYREYpclxF/zywSPNhy S5EHsFgbQP+WcfVB3UvmfDftKM5J+f6+o1wi/TvDKrAu+Va3JgL8ZHjPJGkyhEpdI59Z AHTA== Received: by 10.152.108.38 with SMTP id hh6mr18575088lab.28.1340230520756; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (ppp91-79-219-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru. [91.79.219.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sy1sm42131597lab.13.2012.06.20.15.15.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FE24BC0.3020909@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:16:32 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lkg0JvQsNC60YLQsNC90L7Qsg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <402199FE-380B-41B6-866B-7D5D66C457D5@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <854D02B1-CA89-4F5E-8773-DB05F2868D74@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <4FE1FD18.7010101@gmail.com> <20120620211417.GC26703@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120620211417.GC26703@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:15:22 -0000 21.06.2012 01:14, Chad Perrin пишет: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:40:56PM +0400, Евгений Лактанов wrote: >> 20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar >>> wrote: >>>> [attribution lost by Wojciech Puchar and I'm too lazy to check] >>>>> Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the >>>>> CLANG project? >>>> because we already have great compiler - GCC. In spite of using GPL >>>> licence. >>> GCC performs well, but it is a very messy undocumented codebase which >>> makes maintaining it a nightmare. Just ask Google -- you'll find many >>> others saying the same thing. It would take MORE work to get FreeBSD >>> devs up to speed on the GCC codebase to add the features we want than >>> it is to cooperate with the CLANG community and help them make their >>> compiler better than GCC in every test case. >> It is the classic developer/user argument. It is also stupid. The user >> side simply doesn't have the same needs, it can't understand how >> freaking hard it is sometimes to debug a large and complex program in a >> badly documented environment or worse with undocumented features. If it >> works faster ergo it is better - that is the only criteria to really >> have a meaning to a user. > It's bikeshed painting. Someone who doesn't understand the many factors > that apply, and doesn't even *want* to know, picks one thing he thinks he > understands and argues about it in an attempt to make the entire project > change course. > > Well, dammit, I *like* blue, and he can take his bucket of red paint home > with him to paint his *own* bikeshed. > Haven't heard it described like this, but appropriate. Also the Danth's law applies always)