From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 13:51:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14D5331CD7 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jQJK5Tj8z3RMc for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.24.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MxV4T-1izeio32rJ-00xrgK; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:51:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:51:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200611155139.166ef9b3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200611153924.62a3719a@archlinux> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> <20200611143046.2f97b54a@archlinux> <20200611153924.62a3719a@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:cwBnVbGzd/DgXBN2sJNI3/Yiq68IMUUJNr4hqMQPZJT5uI2khAM L/HIPpKuEKT7WpY0ejRtxoeJ31Srp8Ql4w2t7yvmpMlOgMVOLCUBpeNmxxKnQOwSJOqatGd 7eB2Nqn9mciiTNaMSIJYEXG4L5rNiBgmro6tyRrkPOZ3F0n3J8lmQFdfJwf8P4dUenuWQhx XvUE58ZNUIqVJX6R9/Ysw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ugFPX7Xu6aQ=:CO/h7CXNG6fp0/A95i7KaR BFlve4RTvBKxIGwQeGXHYCHot8Fy3CrITVLkqv1dXl6kotrt+BkllXZxi0lKHfy/hI7wOyTVy 91bZHP8aycs3wwfaBb2NLMqxDzx8VLpJCn1W8q9EKR0v9a8C7Euuocp18AM4Xf6N9qzUIhdj9 F2uxxV3OARANMDJs4+gIHKKbsayJ4hKoEvxa1bw6+26Ml1X8oQCgcksw/GkdODtLfy+qgd1kH DiqktoKUeT684bIxhavcmNN80WQrviq7rfnIWk7HlyVVmB/djwpiYpQruJChNXnygpU2r2kNe 9s4IMKwSQ2goV7BAx1f4ptMUzo1ag670Nzs/nkU3jokKfZKpU/XNCgm8+SoDVI7TnXNCqV7m7 L4uEPKed8EJxHg/UxuEnl8BQ+U8r5HhgoXgfchdpItvCrB8q1kHih2zUhHsHKy0mYeRpd1ZCO RKjqyohCLM7zNK9fNrtYuD863EsD4QU878w0TgahxsMvFl9Ww03pgj6xiGpFyL1hCihdL3+UU a6E1Ezf2GvxWEp4IDDG9WPG37x2i3GwM1gjnuehE9Ekuvh67/Mp8U4kLQQm4NY1AkYAsCIRx5 XQIVOFM4uKaU2T9dGDrT0ZtuH6NELhSjElJfZsxDKlY86qejhZhfKUebGTm9yoNX5p6bcI5dB 1a21xIubUauq8CCKp9N2GohtFvcRuvVwdyL+YGb9Zzq6600T8RhKow98uSzyvWDy7LU3pNBfe 05eqlNq+khdW5IcvNjgxrrfjz033kEJ7jCzNZ0c8TLaqLAuRV5wSgZYxSlqS5WCv8T14Ofheh MS/qDVI7MAcW7TX7CovsnmXVBkjHnuvShNoLBBW6dvuuCyND9k= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jQJK5Tj8z3RMc X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.76 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.24.162:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.308]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.310]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.74)[0.739]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:51:46 -0000 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:39:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrot= e: > Rr=E9sum=E9: Apart from "Thunderbird" you unlikely will find any decent G= UI > (or TUI) MUA providing the default to set the cursor above the quotes. >=20 > Note! Being able to adjust the settings is not the same as "the > default". SICR! Note that even _if_ the MUA (web-based or not) does quote the message being replied to (normally with quote prefix, in few cases with header-only), there's nothing (!) stopping the user from moving the cursor below the quoted text and starting the actual reply text. On that way, it's even possible to trim the original message if needed, and the point _where_ the reply should start (there can be more than one!) can be selected by the user. Maybe this sounds snobbish and elitist (my computer is now stuck in that mode): The user is in charge when he is in control. Luckily, even the most stupidestest MUAs allow at least a minimum of control (call it "workaround" if you want). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...