From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 22 17:57:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3544465A289 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gt3433cwhz3PH2 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gt3423sJVzDyYK for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:57:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1629655042; bh=7A6+6KMA1bNg+y0tRUGtCA977tpVYjbXsbjizTSJSL0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=APFOeIbdxwqJ97XAq8LSCvRy38F9er7y/7QVbVIOoKnZEJsKY1W77QSGXWBVELzDa uOy3j3K+cZ2O5+BYfOqW3zQ5lYJM4MJUWn1JjPhffmMkBLR5ZmPz5419pfRqQlFkKy YwZk4qTA0hiWXemBRqvzqvYnkXQairi8z1FyMnpw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 58DC314392B4DB2FAF86AE54656FBC467AD55FFD9DD09B79425A137134A6E8AF Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Gt3416MTxz5vYk for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4b7375b3b207318a2b5381c683496864e83bffe4.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: DKIM From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 19:57:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <465c6ca1-0cf8-4e88-7f4c-fb466fe373c2@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <763F5C0F-E364-4C57-8D09-A0679F547979@simonhoffmann.net> <20210822121658.13a66645@archlinux> <207e382e-fad4-68f6-de81-df7ca2e1a40f@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210822184027.5ddae2e0@archlinux> <465c6ca1-0cf8-4e88-7f4c-fb466fe373c2@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Gt3433cwhz3PH2 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=APFOeIbd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.30)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:57:24 -0000 On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 12:05 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > How strange you would say that. I was posting you into the same age > category as myself. Back then when I was young, we didn't use web > search engines at all. They didn't exist (at least for us living where > I lived). We just were reading the book that came with [personal] > man pages (and had in addition ergonomic, and whatever suggestions on > started to use man command [do not remember when I first did]. You aren't mistaken. I was born in 1966. I live in Germany and we always were way behind with anything Internet related. Due to the corona pandemic we now clearly see how many decades we are still behind. My bookshelves were overloaded with computer software and computer hardware books. An example I've got at hand, it's still in a bookshelf, while many books are in cartons: https://i.imgur.com/2w6OKS9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1o7399J.jpg "The Times They Are a-Changin'" we probably do not use Assembly, BASIC or Turbo Pascal to use BIOS routines. IOW we also not necessarily start learning by reading man pages, instead for the good and the bad, a search engine can be used. > Many non-technical people use google mostly, just because they never > tweak away what is in default settings. And browsers (spare Microsoft > and Apple) play it into google hands. That's a good point, but it also explains why Google has got so much more information than other search engines. Information that can be used for mind reading, if people don't use smart search terms. > One of my friends even made a joke: do you ask google how much money > you have left in your wallet? :D