From owner-cvs-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 08:54:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C9116A41F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:54:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from e0-a11.b1.lan.prg.vol.cz (e0-a11.b1.lan.prg.vol.cz [195.122.204.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5D43D45; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:54:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pav.hide.vol.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e0-a11.b1.lan.prg.vol.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k068sEE8072069; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:54:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by pav.hide.vol.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k068sDr6072068; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:54:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: pav.hide.vol.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Mikhail Teterin In-Reply-To: <200601052003.37898@aldan> References: <200601052201.k05M1Hiv047660@repoman.freebsd.org> <200601051751.09804.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <1136501987.40648.19.camel@localhost> <200601052003.37898@aldan> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VlpV99hDbsmP2wrYbhLR" Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:54:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1136537653.70797.5.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/textproc/libwpd Makefile distinfo X-BeenThere: cvs-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: CVS commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:54:35 -0000 --=-VlpV99hDbsmP2wrYbhLR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mikhail Teterin p=ED=B9e v =E8t 05. 01. 2006 v 20:03 -0500: > On Thursday 05 January 2006 05:59 pm, Pav Lucistnik wrote: > =3D > Because to rebuild the tiny libwpd, which itself is perfectly happy > =3D > with very old versions of libgsf-1 (>=3D1.6), one must first rebuil= d > =3D > their _entire gnome install_. > =3D > > =3D > In the vast majority of cases the LIB_DEPENDS should not spell out > =3D > particular shared library versions, but bsd.gnome.mk is full of > =3D > them. >=20 > =3D Yeah, you never know if a single program that have USE_GNOME will nee= d > =3D the latest and greatest. So we're better safe than sorry. >=20 > In preparing for that one future possibility we are all suffering > regularly with forced upgrades. Imagine: >=20 > 1) install gnome; > 2) a week later - update the ports tree and try to add a > gnome-using port (like libwpd); > 3) notice, you have to rebuild your entire gnome. Well it's not just GNOME. Imagine you installed php on your server and few weeks later you want to quickly add one extension, but now you have php 4.4.1 and added extension is from php 4.4.2 -- you have to rebuild all php too. This looks like a larger design problem and I don't know from where to start attacking it. > The sure price of the "safety" of this far exceeds to potential price of > the "sorry". No excuses... I think the opposite - perhaps it's because you're not reading all the support questions gnome@ receives. > Considering, that most software that has such version demands makes > its own checks in the configure, there is no added safety at all... Oh no, we can't just let rely on configure checks. First, we never want `make` to fail. Than we could go Slackware and forget the dependencies in ports anyway. Second, endusers just can't read configure output. Configure script tells them they have outdated fontconfig and you know what people do? They copy&paste that message and ask for help for it. > =3D You could add a real LIB_DEPENDS line with >=3D1.6 to libwpd, right? >=20 > Better for those few (if any!) ports, that do need a particular version, > to add their explicit requirements, than for everybody else to do the > opposite. That would do - but it can't happen overnight, the ports are just too many to go see every single one's configure script... > And no, I can't do it in my port, because bsd.gnome.mk will append its > own (based on USE_GNOME) anyway. You don't have to have USE_GNOME=3Dlibgsf in your port at all...=20 --=20 Pav Lucistnik Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. 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