From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 12:20: 0 2000 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 12:19:54 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B652137B402 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from beastie.localdomain ([24.19.158.41]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001223201937.QEZY17656.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@beastie.localdomain>; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:19:37 -0800 Received: (from brian@localhost) by beastie.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id MAA51374; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:22:38 -0800 From: "Brian O'Shea" To: opentrax@email.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? Message-ID: <20001223122238.A24087@beastie.localdomain> Reply-To: boshea@ricochet.net Mail-Followup-To: opentrax@email.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200012222337.PAA20885@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200012222337.PAA20885@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 03:37:43PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 03:37:43PM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > Thank you for your attention. > > Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. > The talk schedule is posted on: > http://www.svbug.com/events/ > I've already circulated this message to the OpenBSD > 'tech' mailing list and the NetBSD 'security' mailing > list. Now, I've like to hear from the FreeBSD community. > > The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter > than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. > Please note, I'm not here to flame or troll, just > ask questions. Your responses determine the tone > of all conversations. The tone of your initial post will more likely set the tone of this conversation. Try to be more objective when you find technical problems with security software that people trust. Saying "ssh - are you nuts?!?" is kind of like yelling "fire" in a theater. It makes you look like a troll (despite your claim that you are not), and it trivializes anything important that you might have to say. Because of your tone, it is unlikely that anyone here will take you seriously. This is a shame considering that you might have important issues to raise. Good luck on your talk, -brian -- Brian O'Shea boshea@ricochet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message