From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 29 14:32:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14922 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14893 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04681; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Subject: Re: Can we get back to the original theme?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:14:44 +0100." <199602291914.UAA01372@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:28:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4679.825632923@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is it just me or is -hackers degenerating in to a babble forum concerned > with A. Windoze chat and how much nicer the world would be if everybody > used FreeBSD (agreed BTW ;-) and B. about the latest silly game ported > to Linux (I could not care less...) It's not just you, and it's not just -hackers that has become a continuous, deafening uproar. I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but it's largely because certain people on these lists (and I wouldn't hesitate too much in singling out Poul or Nate this week) have stopped being careful with their distribution lists and are now posting or participating in threads-from-hell which span multiple mailing lists and aren't even loosely focused on whichever appropriate interest group has already been formed for discussing such things. On a good day, I'm lucky if I get away with reading a given message only once. At the risk of educating the educated, here's our current mailing list roster: freebsd-announce Important events and project milestones freebsd-bugs Bug reports freebsd-chat Non-technical items related to the FreeBSD community freebsd-current Discussion concerning the use of FreeBSD-current freebsd-stable Discussion concerning the use of FreeBSD-stable freebsd-isp Issues for Internet Service Providers using FreeBSD freebsd-policy General policy issues and suggestions freebsd-questions User questions freebsd-doc The FreeBSD Documentation project freebsd-fs Filesystems freebsd-hackers General technical discussion freebsd-hardware General discussion of hardware for running FreeBSD freebsd-multimedia Multimedia discussion freebsd-platforms Concerning ports to non-Intel architecture platforms freebsd-ports Discussion of the ports collection freebsd-security Security issues freebsd-scsi The SCSI subsystem freebsd-admin Administrative issues freebsd-arch Architecture and design discussions freebsd-core FreeBSD core team freebsd-install Installation development freebsd-user-groups User group coordination I'll save you from counting - that's 22 mailing lists one might post to, and certainly room for many different types of discussion. Wanna talk about firewalls or kerberos? freebsd-security is your list. Wanna talk about how icky the installation program is? Send it to freebsd-install. Want to flame Linux in some highly gratuitous fashion? Well, we'd prefer you not, but if you must then freebsd-chat is probably a good place for such senseless expenditures of effort. In other words, at least half the crap you see flowing through -hackers and -current right now does NOT need to be there, nor is it being properly directed at the people who have expressed a genuine interest in the topic at hand by adding themselves to the appropriate mailing list(s). Please folks, recognise that we're reaching one of those crisis points again where we need to start clamping down on our own internal mail traffic before another Great Exodus occurs. I'm a hair away from unsubscribing from -hackers again myself. Jordan