From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 27 20:21:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A318237B479; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9S3LgB20219; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:21:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:21:42 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! MFC's Message-ID: <20001028052142.B20044@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20001027184107.T5433@lucifer.bart.nl> <20001027094613.E28123@fw.wintelcom.net> <20001027185310.V5433@lucifer.bart.nl> <20001027100225.F28123@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001027100225.F28123@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:02:26AM -0700 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20001027 19:05], Alfred Perlstein (bright@wintelcom.net) wrote: >* Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven [001027 09:53] wrote: >> You totally miss the point I was trying to communicate across. >> >> While I strive to make sure everything I MFC is tested it can always >> happen that something for some reason blows up. >> >> Some things are just beyond your control. > >That's understandable, and if things are proceeding as normal then >there's no reason for potentially creating panic for the users. No I understand, but given that STABLE should be guarded more than CURRENT when it comes to noticing our userbase of potential ``dangerous' source update times I think the mail I sent out was justified and not trying to cause panic. I see which point of view you are coming from though. >However, if there's an 'MFC rush' then I think that's not the right >way to go about doing it. With rush I am referring back to 4.1-RELEASE of 4.0-RELEASE MFC's. That wasn't pretty in the least. As well as the last few weeks/months of immediate MFC's. >> I am just giving people a warning to be careful the next few days in >> updating their system as I am sure the MFC rushing of some things might >> occur again. > >Again, if you are _sure_ that there will be problems then please >don't, if you aren't _sure_ then there's no reason to make people >fear the next release. I am sure that I am testing things before committing, as well as reading the logs to see what everything is about. I am not even considering major impact changes for MFC. I think the STABLE crowd knows my MFC's by know. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Reality is an illusion, grimmer. The dreamlands are like masks within masks, and Time has no dominion beyond the Shroud... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message