From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 13 20:05:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1153616A4CE for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:05:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AF143D45 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:05:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sander.vesik@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so552562rnl for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.152.68 with SMTP id z68mr2613871rnd; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.102.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:05:27 +0300 From: Sander Vesik To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041013192853.GB43973@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041013192853.GB43973@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Subject: Re: getting to 5.x binary packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sander Vesik List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:05:28 -0000 [first off, sorry for the duplicate post - some initial gmail confusion] On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:28:53 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:59:25PM +0300, Sander Vesik wrote: > > Ok, this is a sort of 'getting from A to B' question, except that I > > dont presently have a good idea as to where 'A' is precicely ;-) > > > > It would be nice to have binary packages of jdk 1.4 (or 1.5 i guess, > > but anyways) so that it could be a simple download and hopefully ship > > with one of the 5.x releases. So could anybody tell me if : > > > > * there is a plan (or how to get to one existing) > > * what the plan is > > * what other java related plans are in FreeBSD > > * if thereare obvious concrete ways somebody could help > > * what these ways would be > > > > I can promise to make a patches to the existing web pages @ > > http://www.freebsd.org/java/howhelp.html about the state if > > somebody explains it ... > > The problem with providing a binary distribution is not technical, but > legal. If you download and build the JDK from source you have to > agree to abide by the terms of the Sun Community Source License: Yes, I know of the legal aspect of what must happen before jdk binaries can be redistibuted. > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/license.html > > Which says it's OK to use freely for Research and for Internal > Deployment. Commercial use and permission to redistribute are a very > different matter. You can use the java/jdk14 port to build a FreeBSD > package for your own use, but you cannot give it away outside your own > organization. > Which for many uses and ease of use, really sucks. > In order for the FreeBSD Foundation to be licensed to distribute a > pre-compiled J2SE 1.4.2 JDK or JRE freely the FreeBSD port would first > have to pass Sun's compliance testing -- I believe that it has been > stated that the jdk-1.4.2 port would pass in it's current state > without any trouble at all -- but it takes money to get everything > formally tested, and then the licensing terms have to be negotiated, > again requiring some expenditure on lawyers etc. For most > corporations I don't think the costs would be particularly onerous. > For an all volunteer project like FreeBSD they're right out of the > question unless a generous donor can be found. > My impression was that the existing 4.x package was made under the "special" scholarship TCK licence that Sun provides for free to non- profits (or at least allows them to apply for such) and that similar might supposedly be obtained for making newer Java binary packages for 5.x. Am I mistaken? > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks > Savill Way > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow > Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK >