From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 8 19:59:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09BA64F; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from break19@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5C38FC08; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so2898695iag.13 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:59:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jwR2oaW4+IaKqPPGnLbYZ8U1Dsw1svOlHPyp5jpkbqU=; b=EsA5k3VsFpnTlktNUAgReVxcC9h5+aWm+WmQJQqtLGekaVhp1Xx1nH3ll7xmI7LGR8 Tu+A+kFyW/GeSbVszkuvO87admVfQ6IA+LTjvxh91Xsa1OsLZEUFdtDnMjwx9t0CkXPj 4fB6293grtNDLqsueGnMGNdupdMx6xAZ59qXt8DXMSd4e7p1JxeY3EGhV/4Sa/QhQs7t P0Rwp4JTJcD04C7vxfSxv16r/VA11l0gRdNU334GzlJQ309InABGaAWAeEhI3+QYhWQy l9hr/IXNU+k6YH+W3wo7OpjPZFWdpNdPmTJuJuqF+y1BnwGs6m/oG0OGHZcAwvkKXj5q 6BKg== Received: by 10.50.173.106 with SMTP id bj10mr21561637igc.13.1352404790021; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.198] ([173.157.19.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x5sm5127954igc.14.2012.11.08.11.59.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:59:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <509C0F26.2080305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:59:34 -0600 From: Chuck Burns User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, kde-freebsd Subject: Re: 9.1-RC3 feels okay :-) - Hald and xorg? References: <201211062158.qA6Lvt2l039276@fire.js.berklix.net> <509BE4D2.2010603@wintek.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:59:56 -0000 On 11/8/2012 1:46 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Richard Kuhns wrote: > >> On 11/08/12 10:45, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, CeDeROM wrote: >>> >>>> I have tested additional options in xorg runtime :-) >>>> >>>> With the patched xorg mouse driver 1.7.1 (or driver version >=1.7.2) >>>> situation is following: >>>> >>>> 1. With hald and dbus no xorg.conf file is needed. However it might bo >>>> option to pass some additional featutes parameters with xorg.conf. >>>> 2. With no hald and dbus mouse and keyboard does not work in xorg >>>> unless >>>> Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" is added to Section "ServerLayout" by >>>> hand in xorg.conf. Without this option input does not work even if >>>> xorg.conf defines it! AllowEmptyInput=False forces to detect input >>>> deviced >>>> by Xorg at startup. >>> >>> No. AllowEmptyInput is wrong. It was causing so many problems that it >>> has been removed from later xorg-server releases. >>> >>> Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" is the one that means "dont' use Hal to >>> detect input devices". >>> >>>> Thank you for this hint! This could be added to the handbook :-) >>>> AllowEmptyInput=False should be a default for Xorg IMO we can report >>>> it to >>>> the Xorg project! :-) >>> >>> Really, the simplest solution is to build xorg-server with the HAL >>> option disabled. I agree that this should be the default. >> >> Just a comment: according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox, Hal >> is still >> required for VirtualBox in order to have host DVD/CD access. > > This is probably a permissions thing. VirtualBox sees the device, but > can't quite mount it. So hal may not be actually required for that > function in VirtualBox, but figuring out just what is needed without hal > remains to be done. > > KDE and Gnome both still need hal, but AFAIK do not require it to be > used for xorg input device detection. xfce4 works fine without hal. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Actually, KDE does -not- need hal. KDE uses the SOLID system for automatic mounting/unmounting of removable/non-removable drives. There are two backends for SOLID. Hal, and udisks. Since FreeBSD does not support udisks, then the only viable SOLID backend, at the moment, is the hald one. The kde@ team plans to eventually write a devd SOLID backend, but they are extremely busy, so any help in that would be most welcome.. avilla@ can probably elaborate on that.. cross-posting my reply to the kde@ ML so they can chime in if need be. -- Chuck Burns