From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 18:46:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D993F32CD0B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dFB25tLHz4XZt for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.236.150]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M4skB-1jiISr3CWl-001vhh; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:46:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:46:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions , Ottavio Caruso Subject: Re: Mininal skills Message-Id: <20200604204642.8ffe9e52.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:EFbtshHYKtePHInjLDCGzbglz4LKgb0FUg7O+huH3KOFNlS2Crs kh97URkSaeQrcdy9sYgIXK8gLLlXT/deKxKFLPTfe6nQgbDXUfPlPglKBRCKHvi69xTbTPn B/d7eCzMahvA6ZgJu8YETWHHXFJB682ovlkdbFnyqDmlByDINVD1OFqU+S++RRNb8xf3vJw 4JYTMIPbDiovfeIbCN6LA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:V7OUo2oaYSU=:jV9+sN6Qf3mS3nvvKEtQjL 32I9/N8cRWnyLk2MhzXi/d7uHJkyNumhddisItRq9tRQFkPMvzukEL3zeMO17u5LO3gpc2jwY xWyRcaAMqDnOatgh+uAP77HruNOjKeF5Ha4jLm+FQy+CYG4Ujs5wkjUkcQaURKW+uehYJRp6h OXZwgcPMQCYnI/3kWq5uEnvSDkqHVhVsRbVvh8u+hOVD7LgssrVnEx70pfP7unOTUintEVgq/ lVHtAATArWOOrXAFNb53LEYMzYqFtOCi5F0aqvZKhu9phAg6iv7Ft6dTa9mbL9L0Y9JZGGKk5 Spult+s9b6zMzB6NwPC1oBn901PTTZPu4V2wIBefuZjoC5SsAbiwWtoeUWVqPsfXZRVp2lYXW ZtBOpGgn2h3iEukrar95Rk47sfbMEahkeDC2gLqJyWCC6UFdZPUts326322UCT4+a25WBxMnk JutqhDEAbXfRAwgNPpQjGiPFidjzrRCBJ/Bqia1Tvy634iclbTvZS5VMnxkuBFwsTh3vFu8VZ EMr+Fb7cENAXxOEVwa3ctlK26A8cJiQOTzzKXWTX6hYC2dyJOVykE6loIuR7EyLDCZ+lREYr5 +QEIG/GDQ7ZO3h4Uc0lCwQLrtNf+mjHEsIGC/KRUgxVngF3WN7gShbyIe+wlTBLFZU9jpz+C/ 7Ree0d7N1fKhQJ0c3mXJdxjT1jQdvrZtI5S0wRbDSWwcgLig33MZRXMukyYQQ26I0tWLw4NIX GmJuQ6YF5oN4lUglnrKXIfRT9L5dEW7RSqswGCjOOakmp0FDyl4doLHhOPCP7/HszIb6OSAj6 zzbaGt9TxTOXSWucq6RnvhNF4j1tCBDQotUxI7tj4jQ+O8j4E0VTEqJxTiOM1/5vrQmUGfF67 RL1Yd2X+cIPcObHvH2/g== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dFB25tLHz4XZt X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.38 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.236.150:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_NEUTRAL(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.274]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.58)[-0.584]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.29)[0.294]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,yahoo.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 18:46:51 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:13:22 -0600, Brandon helsley wrote: > I started using FreeBSD about 2 months ago and have purchased books > like absolute freebsd and have learned a lot. > > I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need, > so that's not the problem. It's that I want to progress past simple > editing of configuration files and minor system administration tasks > like the crontab. I want to try and stick with FreeBSD as my main > and probably mostly only OS. Meaning, I would like to skip the ubuntu > step. Great! By the way, I second Ralf's suggestion of using a real installation on bare metal for first steps, with a secondary system at hand where you can access online resources in case of questions. Virtualization surely has its place, but I would even go further and recommend it: for networking education! You can create virtual networks on your FreeBSD machine with VMs, install and test services on them, learn about routing, about firewalls, about traffic diagnostics and so on. But always keep in mind that times have changed, and that people and their capabilities have changed. Technically, there is nothing wrong with VMs, but as Ralf pointed out correctly, they also have downsides that might interfere with the goal of learning... > It seems as though the FreeBSD docs is the way to go. Just > read it over a few times, as well as the porters handbook. Yes, those are valuable resources. > I'll get straight to it so I can contribute to ports and docs, > even if it takes a couple years!!! Depending on _what_ you want to contribute to, it doesn't have to require years. As I briefly described on how you could, for example, contribute to OS manpages, you already have all the "computer functionality" you need; you just have to make some decisions and learning in the desired field. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...