From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 16:24:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EB9106564A; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lichray@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E97A8FC0C; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iea17 with SMTP id 17so7261795iea.13 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sa3KpsfnoNbOM9qefeOjJBKAkPI1dmcVPiw7RR9FWJY=; b=s67ZEbfZcBWfBTJIwL0PrV/ymd9k8iQaOkSdfPTHsL7ic//mrRA/2skLRN6HnUZPCA 6i6mwPNsdqNshVGrxF/HeS+GzIU9MaaZXxPU50Ay50w3OiBPc6ATbLtJcV+vixNvcSwA GF7Nj8+dUOV5p5wFqxj23iH0WNLszpUmDshcRTikwObBC2syI+zET0svczc9GOsQTT+2 K8XymBqVnI1fpLkqzzvRoFFhnR4KEQSgSIzp7c1MIqYTKHmDrtickDEM76vzihAkRyKr VHwr9nibuTQurU8bj9PsJgoOOn3WEwdFMGyx3pH4lbHmns9ica/mUlanlwKQfR9vO3DZ 2IcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.47.234 with SMTP id g10mr6928749ign.16.1347899065872; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.127.76 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <63170.1347898847@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <63170.1347898847@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Zhihao Yuan To: Poul-Henning Kamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Lorenzo Cogotti Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message > , Zhihao Yuan writes: >>On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> In message , Lorenzo Cogotti writ >>> es: >>>>Hi, >>>>I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official >>>>supported graphical environment. >>> >>> We already do: It's called "X11" :-) >> >>How about Wikipedia "graphical environment" before u say this? > > How about you try to install ports/x11-vm/twm, turn your CPU > speed down to 20 MHz and get a good feel for how a graphical > environment felt 25 years ago, before you make a fool of yourself ? > > :-) > > There is no way that FreeBSD is going to annoint a canonical > window manager (look that up too!), we've been down that road > before and the landscape is ugly and filled with bikesheds. > > My suggest was 100% serious: Assume X11 _is_ the graphical > environment, pick a toolkit which is written to work with > any window manager, which all good toolkits are, and move on. You can "assume", but you can't deny that X11 is not GUI at all, and twm is not a modern GUI either. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. -- Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/