Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:29:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com>, Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocates, speak up! (re: just something to say) Message-ID: <19980704172945.J358@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980704003708.27195B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>; from Jan B. Koum on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:38:57AM -0700 References: <Pine.NEB.3.94.980704002254.23865C-100000@bb.cc.wa.us> <Pine.BSF.3.96.980704003708.27195B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>
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On Saturday, 4 July 1998 at 0:38:57 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > Not according to the mail we got: (why would someone lie anyway?) OK, I give up. To what part of the text below are you referring? Greg > Begin quoting ========== > > >> From jb@www4.nugate.com Sat Jul 4 00:36:58 1998 > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:08:42 -0700 > From: Jordan Blum <jb@www4.nugate.com> > To: www@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Official Movie Sites Using FreeBSD and Apache > > Hello: > > We are a local ISP located in Hollywood, CA. We currently host *all* of > Twentieth Century Fox's official movie sites using the Apache server. Our > most recent launch was the official X-Files movie site which is racking up > more than 3 million hits and over 50MB of data transfer per day. Pretty > amazing for free software:-) > > Thanks for all of the awesome work. > > Here is a short list of sites: > > xfilesmovie.com > alien-resurrection.com > anya.com > bulworth.com > drdolittle.com > volcano.com > foxmovies.com > etc. > etc. > > > Jordan Blum > Global Internet Solutions > http://www.gisolutions.com > PH 213.993.3700 Ext. 24 > FAX 213.993.3738 > > End quoting ========= > > -- Yan > > Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want > www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." > ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- > ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. > > On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > >> Those are soon to be FreeBSD, but they run Apache. :-) >> >> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) >> Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 >> FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ >> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: >> >>> >>> And also >>> >>> xfilesmovie.com >>> alien-resurrection.com >>> anya.com >>> bulworth.com >>> drdolittle.com >>> volcano.com >>> foxmovies.com >>> >>> -- Yan >>> >>> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want >>> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." >>> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- >>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. >>> >>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> FreeBSD in Hollywood >>>> Check out these FreeBSD/Apache run web sites: >>>> www.volcano.com www.romeoandjuliet.com www.speed2-cruisecontrol.com >>>> These are run by www.gisolutions.com >>>> >>>> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) >>>> Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 >>>> FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ >>>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing >>>>> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger: >>>>> >>>>> www.yahoo.com >>>>> www.hotmail.com >>>>> www.ebay.com >>>>> www.best.com >>>>> www.whistle.com >>>>> www.pluris.com >>>>> www.linkexchange.com >>>>> >>>>> If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on >>>>> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need >>>>> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best, >>>>> etc) from using FreeBSD. >>>>> >>>>> -- Yan >>>>> >>>>> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want >>>>> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." >>>>> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- >>>>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum (jkb@best.com) saying: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite >>>>>>> lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway. >>>>>>> Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why >>>>>>> they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our >>>>>>> vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled >>>>>>> code. I usually tell people something like this: >>>>>>> "Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and >>>>>>> they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house >>>>>>> support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their >>>>>>> whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though >>>>>>> they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to >>>>>>> run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another >>>>>>> example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO". >>>>>>> Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a >>>>>>> message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't >>>>>>> need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is >>>>>>> another subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and >>>>>> what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy. As we talked, we decided success >>>>>> stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business >>>>>> people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their* >>>>>> business. >>>>>> >>>>>> Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were, >>>>>> they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse. >>>>>> In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out.. In order >>>>>> for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) A business case. How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line, >>>>>> versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS, >>>>>> etc. in an embedded system? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) A success story (or 20). They want to make sure they're NOT breaking >>>>>> new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most >>>>>> (US, at least) companies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would >>>>>> be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more >>>>>> helpful. Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged* >>>>>> me to get on with it. ;^) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude. >>>>>> (See below). >>>>>> >>>>>> Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion, >>>>>> hop in now. Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate, >>>>>> or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send >>>>>> direct email. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy >>>>>>> the day off) and lets make some noise on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> *I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my >>>>>> two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going "choo >>>>>> choo choo." She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed >>>>>> me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed. We also got to >>>>>> meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented >>>>>> the caboose for a family outing. >>>>>> >>>>>> We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train, >>>>>> through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army >>>>>> Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in >>>>>> 1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis. Mr. Davis was >>>>>> later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America, >>>>>> near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother. >>>>>> >>>>>> Happy Birthday, America! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" >>>>>> >>>>>> Wes Peters Softweyr LLC >>>>>> http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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