From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 01:56:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F2A16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEED43D5A for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:56:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6E1upI2001912; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:56:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40F48F6B.5070201@uiowa.edu> References: <26481.1089755361@critter.freebsd.dk> <40F45DAC.5070800@linuxpowered.com> <40F48F6B.5070201@uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:56:49 -0400 To: Jason Dusek , current@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: CVSUP and 5.2.1 RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:56:53 -0000 At 8:42 PM -0500 7/13/04, Jason Dusek wrote: >What about adding a new make target that *will* do what Joe user >thinks 'make world' should do (i.e. build everything including >the kernel and put it somewhere harmless for testing)? The problem is that Joe User's are using *this* target, even though we already have documentation that points them to a reliable set of steps for upgrading their systems. If you do not fix the target that they are actually typing in, then it does not matter how many more new targets that you add. And at least for now, a reliable set of steps must include a "reboot and check kernel" before installing the world. There is no way for `make' to do that. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu