From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 20:09:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC49916A420 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:09:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF55D43D53 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:09:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RK97O2045380; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20051027.140908.124085864.imp@bsdimp.com> To: phk@phk.freebsd.dk From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <200510271147.13917.peter@wemm.org> <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Cc: gbergling@0xfce3.net, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wscons for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:09:46 -0000 In message: <25022.1130443059@critter.freebsd.dk> "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: : In message <200510271147.13917.peter@wemm.org>, Peter Wemm writes: : : >A syscons replacement isn't such an enticing deal if it still leaves all : >the 'console' issues. Changing something for the sake of change : >without fixing the problems just causes transition pain for no benefit. : : Agreed. Actually, the input multiplexing is what interests me. The one or more keyboards part in my description means one or more at the same time... There are likewise a number of issues relating to usb mice/keyboards that are much better in uhid from NetBSD than from FreeBSD. This isn't so much about escape sequences and such. : >Don't forget, we have to deal with the Xservers as well. Also things : >like libvgl. syscons, with all its warts, runs on i386, amd64, alpha, : >sparc64 and there are patches to make it work on ia64 around somewhere. : : ...but studying the source code, one can't help wonder if somewhere : inside there is a small device driver struggling to get out... wscons runs on more than just those systems and is a better match to the hardware abstractions in the non-vga world. Warner