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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.44)[0.438]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::132:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:03:56 -0000 On 6/11/20, Donald Wilde wrote: > This must be the eternal subject that keeps FreeBSD users from getting > Real Work (TM) done... > > Oh, wait, no "top posting!" Do y'alls realize (or remember, for a lot > of us) that this was _also_ the top subject for discussion on > freebsd-questions back in the 00s??? > Dang it, got bit by the @#$!! reply-to-list thing myself... sigh... > On 6/11/20, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:56:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: >>> Even worse are the number of responders who fail to clip out unneeded >>> portions of the message. I am aware that there are users who consider >>> "truncating" parts of a message as blasphemy. However, without proper >>> pruning, an email replied to numerous times in a virtual cornucopia of >>> styles, becomes an unintelligent mess. >> >> Yes! This is a good description of what I meant with "showing >> respect" or "to deal with" the message. If your headers are >> kept working, and you can also use "[...]" or "[dd]" (or any >> other indication that you clipped something) the "quoted" >> aspect is still fully valid. And if you worry about the >> blasphemy: there's always the reference (!) to the original >> message which can be consulted. >> >> Thanks for mentioning this one - I thought I was the only one >> who noticed that. Oh, must be my PC's snob mode again... ;-) >> > > Hear, hear. IMHO, crafting a good explanation of "top posting" and how > to configure mail browsers to default to it (or at least how to be > consciously careful about it) would be a Really Good Thing(TM) to add > to the Handbook's "Mailing Lists" section. > > Okay, it would. I'll take that on. Hope I don't crash my TODO stack... :D I will do this... I'm really tired of this subject and I want it to (mostly) go away with more people happy about FreeBSD and talking about other good things! > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************