From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Wed Oct 19 07:56:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28680C17CA3 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rincebrain@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x236.google.com (mail-ua0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26053E8 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rincebrain@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x236.google.com with SMTP id r64so4821138uar.2 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:56:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fau4myTicj5dMmEE7B7z5AE/zAhPdSIQDAJinhX4ebM=; b=EGMbb2Ff/aQ6cshS937beoCIZ/HoG+0Fro0FOYs5BbieuRe8d211sO449Z7mXy3fke rsrr2smM9fLSwixV5Xn9zpNYSFZ5/cas96yMXHBuNzzSGEN52EgwaWJEyzC5CvD0bYSr MXoaIV60HxPtXDXY8sdgfgAMdC27u1faKT9/JjTuCT9qpPOf5J3u8xlXFJoYFo9g19Zu D0CV8l0NxDrZGSOVgR3HpVj/HLfD926SATXHVcX+oZhppH9vxIJj10jAAOO0lrq2KhCM gWAKJJFBt5d2iBvnPapZosIfrWcEznlD7q4erAQ36JA+WFOgYQ8Etus15DjJwLkGo/wA YsRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fau4myTicj5dMmEE7B7z5AE/zAhPdSIQDAJinhX4ebM=; b=KmHUbHsGOI1JGXD/qKHepWXUNLsL+AMOmVaPTv4lIrEVy6+GswNZC9GR4hwCvRhZoS 4oyCQeITuVhF5Toeep3fYFEbMqIEKIUqAJONHDGyitwneyiGCNNs0iU6CGFT8WPnIq07 jdS/dcREAWLOI55gnH7zsYcNmsnNke3lsvkF8t8tVBfv7Jq5NPLkZeX4csE94hXlOnzn y6TvG04hG1oiyaP8pQAVlubMckocAPLiNCQu7dmNzccZNRbt9S9HVpZC21js7lGdrQWI Y16Pvwyu6XPAe5Uc2lNcM4vNKBzZDGN2xsRHWBMiaolsDAdF930A85USQ0kXsDt38Yme vwFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmXpTng3IwZJhAw9gNfJZRBix8fc4OXbmKyPvbP03zHp+/fwbgoSaQEoM6YjsqnJgsAw0O+RWwujZKR1Q== X-Received: by 10.176.1.174 with SMTP id 43mr1185005ual.55.1476863773761; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:56:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.72.141 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:56:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2521A945-AB44-4ADF-80B2-03F528BA11B6@gmail.com> References: <306ccab3-4c78-751a-2258-54701a64ab4b@internetx.com> <41DE4DAA-B5E1-4BB9-AF54-780236A901EF@gmail.com> <059af3ed-71b3-b31d-893c-732121989cee@kateley.com> <633311CF-ADF2-479F-AFB9-E9265C101302@gmail.com> <376FE1E5-42BD-4878-8441-DA912E4ECB5B@gmail.com> <70B75F18-056B-49E5-9CDE-E8CCEA405CE8@gmail.com> <2521A945-AB44-4ADF-80B2-03F528BA11B6@gmail.com> From: Rich Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 03:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommended HBA for ZFS, contemporary To: freebsd-fs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:56:15 -0000 Well, the 2008 has been around for at least 7 years (if not longer, just guessing from the oldest FW on LSI's site), and the 3008 came out only 3 years ago. One of the reasons the 2008 is so well-known is that it, and its cousins the 2[123]08, have ended up in a great many platforms and rebranded cards by other people - on motherboards, Dell's "6Gbps SAS HBA" cards, [...] They've been around so long that things like the 9220-8i (the infamous IBM ServeRAID M1015) and friends, which aren't the 2008 but are close enough if you squint, are dirt-cheap secondhand compared to the price of a new 9211-8i or 9311-8i. The other difference is, there's not an obvious flaw in the 2008 and friends that you need to buy the 3008 to fix. The LSI 1068E and friends can't do drives over 2T, so you needed at least the 2008 for 3T drives. There's no such incompatibility visible in the 2008/3008 distinction that anyone's noticed yet. Maybe when we get to another fun LBA count boundary (512 TB seems promising), we'll see serious pressure. Otherwise, the 2008 is generally "good enough" for the long tail of people that make up the majority of online posts about things. - Rich On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Ben RUBSON wrote: > Thank you Rich. > > I saw that the LSI 3008 can be put in IT mode, as with the well known 2008. > Firmware & drivers seem to be well maintained, with a P13 release last > month. > 2 good points. > > However I did not found much much user feedback on it, nor recommandations. > There should be no surprise compared to the 2008, but we never know... > > Ben > > > On 19 Oct 2016, at 08:24, Rich wrote: > > > > AFAIK, the only two vendors in the space with 12Gb HBAs are PMC-Sierra > and > > LSI/Avago. > > > > I can attest that the LSI 12Gb HBAs generally work as intended, though I > > can't attest to that specifically on FreeBSD. > > > > When I last looked at this, PMC's 12Gb HBAs weren't out yet, so I have no > > personal anecdata for you. > > > > - Rich > > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:20 AM, Ben RUBSON > wrote: > > > >> Any feedback ? > >> > >> Many thanks ! > >> > >> Ben > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 13 Oct 2016, at 10:53, Ben RUBSON wrote: > >>> > >>> What would you recommend for those who want a 12Gb/s SAS HBA ? > >>> LSI 3008 ? > >>> As reliable as LSI 2008 ? > >>> > >>> Thank you ! > >>> > >>> Ben > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 22 Aug 2016, at 18:14, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter < > >> juergen.gotteswinter@internetx.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> LSI SAS 2008 Based HBA, there are dozens of OEM available for Budget > >> Prices > >>>> With the IT firmware. > >>>> > >>>> Am 22.08.2016 um 18:08 schrieb Dmitry Morozovsky: > >>>>> Dear colleagues, > >>>>> > >>>>> what is the list of preferred disk controllers to build storage > >> server, say > >>>>> 12-24 amd more 3.5" disks? Not too much IOPS are expected, and some > >> could be > >>>>> mitigated with L2ARC with only metadata cached, I suppose. > >>>>> > >>>>> Two usage schemes are file server for big files (mostly cold storage) > >> and > >>>>> backup/surveillance server (constant stream writes, occasional random > >> reads) > >>>>> > >>>>> Any hints? Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >