From nobody Wed Aug 9 06:18:04 2023 X-Original-To: doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RLKcD42nwz4mGMZ for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RLKcD1BTtz4K7D for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1691561884; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ASAaygKlDi58tL9JLJES6/rhtDdCEdNAbbz7xRLqlEo=; b=WuJvNyBIltEtAt6QDL/haajja/621pcVZ1BAeF/D1oYaLXgIU1Lci//4KMCtuWqGpdWjUA vncMQvSQTQlDl9ySNcKeaIToSydHlRFEIcTOyLvm/Pkucez4FSMNpgto7v+t8SVQfA+xSV 71fBySo/xOoRDw6dNQTuaxeWrsNLHZeyWWloCnHoXn5B1tNAkmb0/wb2WdkGJXBaeGxlqf tJ745SlvkrbfrBWOljXZc98JgqpVfyQ1Sg9ubD/XB/6tCQ5+A7SYr29YECifdqf8b2x+oP CyKdahE3Jnix+x5Q8f6PjA87ygdaOrH54WSJpko6iNCAtAzPTd479Cx5cAtq7Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1691561884; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LVxCd7wXx+id3URK2tt2JePGzX90zOYkd2IUJRdNyuvYlkV6XcikZDxrGE9C6EIgbP3J+3 LXn+rLfxq63gyPsGDIvZ5ta8zvchYRBD7un06sJzNK879JC8MUk7rYzqeLi8VItQGLWBUZ 6uzxMXQ2OmHedsOvj9f/76Lp6mC00plmJXlqnvz2pokrm/r4BCXh1KDP+p1ZxH4yjcnDPx 9poIHhjXN610eL7NG6+8i0/jtvFFVtp+Dof7aOpSL34epNdlxpKHIYhrF9V3kvsS61CK1v coulwhiGgi7vJJfqDDOw9m17vboaBwbvRFwkBsJTLvLqqICjnDiZlrsRyAJiWQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RLKcD0F0Fz14Vr for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 3796I3l6002371 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:18:03 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 3796I3TW002370 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:18:03 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 273017] FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE is misrepresented as production quality Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 06:18:04 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Website X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: Works As Intended X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: attachments.created Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D273017 --- Comment #3 from Graham Perrin =E2=97=90 --- Created attachment 243980 --> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3D243980&action= =3Dedit Screenshot: 12.4-RELEASE no longer production at the FreeBSD Project home p= age :-) (In reply to Li-Wen Hsu from comment #2) By recent definition, with reference to the home page of the FreeBSD Project (the result of the linked review):=20 - 12.4 is no longer production =E2=80=93 screenshot attached.=20 Issues arising, with regard to RELEASE versions of FreeBSD: A) whether production always means production quality B) at present, no widespread shared understanding of what's meant by legacy C) looking ahead, what happens when legacy disappears D) the summary line here. Thoughts =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Question A)=20 This should be easiest to answer. I'm fairly certain that production does (always) mean production quality, because, amongst other things, added a relevant heading, and was approved by Glen Barber.=20 Side note: whilst pages such as do not properly distinguish between heading levels (bug 271477), alternative views such as may help to visualise things.=20 Issue B) Colin Percival, author of the originally linked review comment, is a participant in related .=20 There's at least one other discussion. IMHO it's too soon to bring anything like a conclusion to Bugzilla.=20 Additional parallel discussion might take place on a mail list =E2=80=93 le= t's keep noise, here, to a minimum.=20 Issue C) When the word 'legacy' disappears =E2=80=93 entirely =E2=80=93 from key are= as such as the home page and the download page(=E2=80=A0), readers are left with no hint of its= meaning. It's:=20 * missing from answers to frequently asked questions * not mentioned at , which expresses=20 support for releases =E2=80=93 some of which are not RELEASE * not suitably explained in the FreeBSD Handbook =E2=80=93 the sole mention= is=20 partly with reference to stable/11 (this can be fixed quickly and=20 non-contentiously in a separate BR (not here, please)) * =E2=80=A6 and so on.=20 ---- (=E2=80=A0) The word is not yet apparent in the sidebar. Its absence is the= essence of comment 0. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=