From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 18:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4605716A41F; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [217.20.133.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B02F43D4C; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:12:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A4C99805C; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 56958-02-2; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:12:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [80.98.231.227] (catv-5062e7e3.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAC7998053; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:12:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43B42721.7060400@t-hosting.hu> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:12:49 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pav@FreeBSD.org References: <43B3E51F.8040905@t-hosting.hu> <1135871595.60574.15.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1135871595.60574.15.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000900070508020908060209" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/en/advocacy/myths.sgml is full of broken links X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:12:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000900070508020908060209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pav Lucistnik wrote: >Kövesdán Gábor pí¹e v èt 29. 12. 2005 v 14:31 +0100: > > >>Hello, >> >>I've started out to translate the FreeBSD webpage to Hungarian, and I've >>found a lot of dead links in myths.sgml. I've tried to find a new >>location for these documents but no success. If we remove all of those >>links from the part about clustering it will be almost empty, so I >>haven't send a PR. I wrote this to discuss what to do with that page. We >>may look for another good articles about clustering. I'd suggest mention >>CARP and place a link about CARP here, for example: >>http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/carp.html. >>I hope You have another good ideas. >> >> > >All broken links have to be either fixed or removed. There's just no >point in keeping them. > >Regarding the clustering section, well, is Tom Rhodes' article still >coming "in late 2002"? > >a.out section is awfully irrelevant today. > >This page needs a good overhaul. If you can fill it with some fresh and >relevant content, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > Here is a patch attached: - Eliminate the deprecated a.out section - Remove the broken link to Jordan Hubbard's article - Remove broken links from clustering section and fill that in with new interesting links - Fix link to commercial support - Mention DragonflyBSD as a derivative project - Update the description about architecture ports - Mention MAC and GEOM Frameworks as great new features in the codebase - Remove the test about BSDi, since it doesn't exist any more - Remove the text about Tom Rhodes' future article :) - Mention freebsd-cluster@ instead - Fix a typo (no whitespace before SunOS) - Fix the current ports number and make the description about Linux compatibility more relevant - Mention 32-bit compatibility, too Please also take a look at www/91054, it should be committed, too. Regards, Gabor Kovesdan --------------000900070508020908060209 Content-Type: text/plain; name="myths.sgml.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="myths.sgml.diff" --- myths.sgml.orig Thu Dec 29 17:42:18 2005 +++ myths.sgml Thu Dec 29 18:52:03 2005 @@ -52,9 +52,6 @@
  • There are no applications for *BSD
    • -
  • *BSD uses the a.out executable format, which is - outdated technology
    • -
  • *BSD is better than (some other system)
  • (some other system) is better than *BSD
    • @@ -133,9 +130,6 @@ never had to ask for them, they were freely given.

    -

    Also, see this article written by Jordan Hubbard in Performance - Computing, titled What is FreeBSD?

    -

    You cannot make your own distributions @@ -156,7 +150,8 @@ them proprietary that they can stay in business).

    The OpenBSD project started as a spinoff from the NetBSD project, and - has since evolved its own distinctive approach.

    + has since evolved its own distinctive approach. Similarly DragonflyBSD + derives from FreeBSD 4.x.

    @@ -198,11 +193,22 @@ wcarchive.cdrom.com juggle thousands (literally, more than 10,000) simultaneous FTP connections without falling over.

    -

  • Architecture ports: Ports of *BSD are under way or already exist - on many other architectures, including UltraSPARC, Alpha, and PowerPC. - NetBSD and OpenBSD both have more architecture ports than FreeBSD, which - is, at the time of writing, running on i386, Alpha and - UltraSPARC.

    • +

  • Architecture ports: FreeBSD supports seven main architectures + currently: alpha, amd64, i386, ia64, pc98, ppc and sparc64. + There are also ongoing works to port the project for further + architectures. See the + Supported Platforms page for more information.

    • + +

  • MAC Framework: FreeBSD supports Mandatory Access Control, which + are normally possessed by trusted operating systems available for high + price. FreeBSD gives you advanced security for free! The + TrustedBSD Project + provides further trusted operating system extensions.

    • + +

  • GEOM classess: GEOM is a modular disk framework that lets + you concatenate, mirror, stripe, or encrypt disks. It is rich + in functionality and keep your data safe. +

    @@ -217,9 +223,6 @@ sets. FreeBSD and NetBSD both integrate security fixes first discovered by the OpenBSD team.

    -

    This cooperation extends to the commercial company BSDi, who graciously - donated their DOS emulation layer to FreeBSD.

    -

    The FreeBSD and NetBSD projects separated more than five years ago. OpenBSD is the only new BSD project to split off in the last five years.

    @@ -241,37 +244,43 @@ setting up a Cluster simple. The source code is freely available, and will run on FreeBSD without much problem.
    • -
  • http://cubix.desy.de/General/bsd/bsd.html
    • - -
  • http://acme.ecn.purdue.edu/ - Advanced Computer Matrix for Engineering (ACME) which runs the FreeBSD Operating System.
    • - -
  • - http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/workshops/Talks/Mikler/mikler.html
    • - -
  • - http://www.scope.gmd.de/info/www6/technical/paper196/paper196.htmlNetBSD for Clusters!
    • - -
  • - http://www.ccrc.wustl.edu/~milind/MediaServers.html
    • +
  • + http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Projects/ClusterCookbook/index.html
    • -
  • - http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=964 - Daemon News Posting, quick talk about Clustering
    • +
  • + http://people.freebsd.org/~brooks/papers/bsdcon2003/fbsdcluster/ + Brooks Davis's paper about the implementation of a FreeBSD cluster + with more than 300 CPU's
    • + +
  • + http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/01/freesbie.html/ + Building a Web Cluster with FreeSBIE (a FreeBSD derivative live-CD + system)
    • + +
  • + http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html + OpenBSD's Common Address Redundancy Protocol (CARP) lets you + build redundant clusters at the level of the firewall + +
  • + http://www.countersiege.com/doc/pfsync-carp + A good explanation of CARP + +
  • + http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/carp.html + OpenBSD's CARP ported to FreeBSD -
  • - http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Projects/ClusterCookbook/index.html
    • -

    In addition to this, Tom Rhodes is currently writing an article designed to walk a user through setting up - a Parallel Computing environment using FreeBSD and other utilities. Keep an eye out for this article in late - 2002 early 2003.

    +

    Note, that freebsd-cluster + mailing list is available for further discussion about clustering of + FreeBSD.

    There's no commercial support for *BSD

    -

    FreeBSD: The FreeBSD - Commercial Consulting Page lists companies that offer commercial +

    FreeBSD: The FreeBSD + Commercial Vendors Page lists companies that offer commercial support for FreeBSD.

    The FreeBSD @@ -290,16 +299,17 @@

    There are no applications for *BSD

    The free software community started running on predominantly BSD - systems(SunOS and similar). *BSD users can generally compile software + systems (SunOS and similar). *BSD users can generally compile software written for these systems without needing to make any changes.

    In addition, each *BSD project uses a ``ports'' system to make the building of ported software much easier.

    -

    FreeBSD: There are currently more than 8,000 +

    FreeBSD: There are currently more than 13,000 applications ready to download and install in the FreeBSD ports - collection. On both the i386 and Alpha, the Linux emulation layer will - also run the vast majority of Linux applications.

    + collection. On i386, amd64, ia64 and Alpha, the Linux emulation layer will + also run the vast majority of Linux applications. On the amd64 and ia64 + architectures there is a compatibility layer to run 32-bit binaries.

    NetBSD: The Linux emulation layer will run the vast majority of i386 Linux applications, and the majority of SunOS4 applications can be @@ -325,17 +335,6 @@ on FreeBSD with Java support was the Linux version. Now you can also use a native FreeBSD version of Mozilla with a native Java plugin, all compiled conveniently from the ports!

    - -
    - -

    *BSD uses the a.out executable format, which is - outdated technology

    - -

    FreeBSD: Quite a while ago (before 1998) FreeBSD used the a.out - format by default. There were no pressing reasons to switch earlier. In - particular, FreeBSD did not (and does not) have the problems building - shared libraries that spurred the Linux conversion from a.out to ELF. As - of FreeBSD version 3.0, FreeBSD uses the ELF executable format.

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