From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 07:33:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68BD1065675 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-198-245.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E372E1551F8; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4ED87F02.3060601@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:32:18 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111110 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl References: <20111202015133.GA4111@dragon.NUXI.org> <20111202064132.GC88903@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <4ED8776F.9060301@FreeBSD.org> <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current , Max Khon Subject: Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:33:41 -0000 On 12/01/2011 23:23, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:59:59PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 12/01/2011 22:41, Steve Kargl wrote: >> >>> Having a set of profiled libraries in-sync with the static >>> and shared libraries allows one to run the profiler on their >>> code when someone changes a library and that change causes >>> a dramatic change in the performance of one's code. >> >> And as Max pointed out in his OP, that only applies to a tiny fraction >> of our users, or even our developers. If you want to use them, turn the >> knob. > > Not only do I want to use them, I do use use profiled libraries. > All those changes to libm that I've submitted over the years > have been run through the profile. I'm glad that you find them useful. How does changing the default affect your ability to do that? > More importantly, we are > discussion freebsd-current. I would hope that the other developers > profile their changes to system before committing. I'd be happy if our developers would stop breaking the build. >>> PS: David was not complaining about "fixing a 17 year old bug". >>> He was stating that a single day of discussion changing >>> a 17 year old practice seems a little too brief. >> >> If it's a good idea, it's a good idea no matter how many different ways >> we flog it. :) >> > > I think it is a horrible idea. Perhaps, we should discuss the > technical issues before you start yet another bikeshed (see > your recent posts concerning the ports repo for your hypocricy). Um, you did see the smiley, right? -- "We could put the whole Internet into a book." "Too practical." Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/