From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Mar 20 9:12:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED76F37B71E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.203.72.87]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GAI00BWAAC8HT@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:09:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:23:06 -0800 From: richard childers Subject: Re: documentation issues generally To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Doug Young , Duke Normandin <01031149@3web.net>, David Johnson , Mike Meyer , mij@osdn.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3AB791FA.98332316@pacbell.net> Organization: The Free State of Dis MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <046701c0ab3c$c4a66300$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AB22989.5B28111C@pacbell.net> <20010319212302.A7883@rapier.smartspace.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Neil Blakey-Milner complains: "You mean people like myself, Jeroen, Alex, Jim, Nik, and others?" "Oh. We suck." "Never mind." I don't see it being targeted personally but if you want to take it that way you are welcome to. I believe in free will ... and full responsibility. On the other hand, if you cared about it you'd be subscribed to freebsd-questions and you wouldn't need people surreptitiously forwarding my messages to you; you would have spoken up much sooner, in defense of your group; you'd be proactively responding to negative feedback instead of getting defensive. For instance, every time mail gets directed to mwm@mired.org, I get a reply from Michael's qmail installation telling me that that my mail has been redirected to a non-existent address and is being returned as undeliverable. This, based on information and belief, is Mike's best approach to dealing with negative feedback. I can probably forward the bounce to this message, when I get it, if you don't believe me. If that's the sort of behavior that you think should garner your team my respect ... think again. All that aside, there is some nice FreeBSD documentation out there as well as some bad stuff and I have no basis for assuming that you personally are the author of any of the documents I have heard complaints about, at this point in time. Apparently you have not received all of the complaints that were voiced about documentation, if you are only replying to my comments, and no one else's. Whomever was forwarding my comments to you may have done you a disservice by not providing the entire exchange; of course, we could argue that you did yourself a disservice by not acquainting yourself with the topic at hand before commenting, also. -- richard Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Fri 2001-03-16 (06:56), richard childers wrote: > > FreeBSD probably could have addressed this, early in its existence, by adapting > > into the team, a few people whose job was, not to write code, but to work with > > the developers and to insure that their (often incoherent) documentation was > > turned into sequential, step-by-step instructions. > > You mean people like myself, Jeroen, Alex, Jim, Nik, and others? > > Oh. We suck. > > Never mind. > > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org -- Richard A. Childers Senor UNIX Administrator fscked@pacbell.net (email) 415.664.6291 (voice/msgs) # Providing administrative expertise (not 'damage control') since 1986. # PGP fingerprint: 7EFF 164A E878 7B04 8E9F 32B6 72C2 D8A2 582C 4AFA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message