Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:28:47 -0700 From: "Kirk Vorsatz" <kcv@hallkinion.com> To: <will@highveldcs.com> Cc: <freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org>, "Tom Creighton" <tcreighton@hallkinion.com>, <fscked@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: to Network Eng job + New Free BSD Driver position Message-ID: <sd6cec35.012@smtp.hallkinion.com>
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This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_C39F9EB5.83E2FCEB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_C39F9EB5.84E5FBEC" --=_C39F9EB5.84E5FBEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No sweat Willie, I appreciate your response and all others. I enjoy = seeing professionals like yourself willing to communicate with sales folks = like myself because there is such a distate for recruiters in general. I = do have a FreeBSD Driver position in Houston, Texas that I have had no = response from and I challenge those with this expertise to reach out to = me. In this position you will be part of a senior development team at an = exciting startup company developing drivers in FreeBSD on revolutionary = storage products. The candidate will be responsible for either optimizing = existing drivers or architecting and developing new driver sets. The = drivers developed will be used on an x86 platform and be integrated into = the kernel of the operating system. The ideal candidate will have strong = proven experience developing and/or optimizing storage and network driver = sets.=20 The ideal candidate will be responsible for testing the developed software = and interfacing with external software and hardware architects to = determine root cause of complex hardware, software, or firmware issues. = The candidate will interface with hardware and software architects to = develop best practice driver architecture and functionality.=20 Preferences:=20 Must make modules for new Hardware in BSD and read schematics and chip = data sheets.=20 Expert in Unix kernel and driver development (FreeBSD preferred)=20 Expert in C,C++, shell programming, and assembly=20 Proven experience developing hardware level drivers for Unix platforms.=20 Expert in x86 architecture.=20 5-10 years experience developing C based software in Unix environments=20 5-10 years experience developing software code that interfaces with x86 = hardware=20 Proven experience working with extremely complex problems and developing = creative workarounds in hardware, software, or firmware.=20 A BS degree in Computer Science (or equivalent)=20 Kirk C. Vorsatz Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter Recruiter of the Year 2000 Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001 Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division KCV@hallkinion.com 1-888-682-6400 ext 218 650-345-5600 ext 218 650-245-7043 cell " Work With The Best ! " >>> Willie Viljoen <will@highveldcs.com> 08/28/02 03:17PM >>> I admit the conclusion I chose to jump to was way off the mark, but while I'm busy having my foot surgically removed from my mouth, perhaps the circles of corporate corner office elite may want to explore what is known to the common man as realism, a concept which seems to be frighteningly alien to most people in any industry today. To be frank (and I know I'll be hate-mailed by many people about this), if I were to find someone with a masters degree still working as a system administrator, respect would not be what I feel toward him, it would really be more along the lines of pity. The truth is, sysadmin is a fairly junior position in the IT industry (if there are any sysadmins reading which I didn't just offend deeply, I apologize to you all sincerely). I'm not implying that anyone can do it, a good sysadmin needs to be creative, and have lots of initiative, it's just that I feel anybody in the IT industry who has a masters behind is name, is much better suited to a research post at Berkeley, than making sure a couple of NT machines behave nicely. Lastly, I want you all to accept this comment in the same spirit with which I wrote it, just as I had hoped all concerned would do when receiving my previous post, most specifically Kirk, I never intended to insult you with that post, or question your abilities as a recruiter, but any computer geek with any self respect left in him would be damned to pass up such a sterling opportunity to make fun of successful people :-) Will On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Kirk Vorsatz wrote: > I have been recruiting for a very long time. You can see from my = signature that I have been a top performer for several years at Hall = kinion......let me explain to you the importance of the Master's degree to = this position..... > > The company is a 15 year old financial company that has the #1 debt = collateralization product in the Stock Trading industry. There location = here in CA has roughly 20 people with at least 12+ developers that have = Masters of PHD's in Mathematics.... the company is ran from a development = point of view. Development has never held much regard for anyone in IT- = there philosophy is if it works that is all that matters. Rather than = have there database run optimally they would rather by new boxes. They = are using EXE as the backup. The reason for the Master's degree is to = help gain the respect of these developers as well as someone with a = Master's will understand IT issues from the developers perspective. > > Running NT on the Desktop is only part of the position. The challenge = is rearchitecting a 24X7 Linux Oracle environment that already exists and = works today while explaining to the developers that a system in their eyes = that works is not optimal in the future. I welcome your remarks..... > > Kirk C. Vorsatz > Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter > Recruiter of the Year 2000 > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001 > Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 > Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division > > > KCV@hallkinion.com > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218 > 650-345-5600 ext 218 > 650-245-7043 cell > > " Work With The Best ! " > > > > >>> richard childers <fscked@pacbell.net> 08/28/02 07:22AM >>> > My point exactly. > > Points to Willie for thinking clearly. > > > -- richard > > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > At the risk of jumping to conclusions, I think there's probably some > > confusion here, a masters degree is probably not what they are looking = for > > at all. > > > > It's a common misconception that people have about the MCSE, a diploma > > issued by Microsoft, stating that the holder is qualified to operate a > > Windows NT-based network. Because of a lack of non-technical informatio= n > > about the diploma, many people become confused, and because of the "M" = in > > the title, the acronym has been contstrued to mean many interesting > > (incorrect) things, including "Masters in Computer Systems Engineering"= , > > ofcourse, it really means "Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer". > > > > I'm thinking there may have been some miscommunication somewhere along = the > > lines where an MCSE turned into a Masters :) > > > > An MCSE is probably the likely thing the company would want, seeing as > > they are using NT machines. > > > > Somebody with a masters shouldn't be working as a sysadmin, that would > > just be wrong :) > > > > Will > > > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, richard childers wrote: > > > > > Some people might suggest that Linux has hardly been around long = enough > > > to someone to *become* a so-called 'senior Linux administrator'. > > > > > > What constitutes 'seniority' in Linux? > > > > > > And what does the master's degree have to be in? > > > > > > Inquiring minds want to know. (-: > > > > > > > > > Yours for reasonable requirements, > > > > > > > > > -- richard > > > > > > > > > Kirk Vorsatz wrote: > > > > > > > I have a fantastic fulltime opportunity for a Linux system admin = at a > > > > 15 year old company where you would be the sol.e IT person = responsible > > > > for all Desktop (NT and Exchange) as well as overseeing Oracle > > > > servers....... Please email me if interested.... Kirk C. = Vorsatz > > > > Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter > > > > Recruiter of the Year 2000 > > > > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001 > > > > Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 > > > > Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division > > > > KCV@hallkinion.com > > > > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218 > > > > 650-345-5600 ext 218 > > > > 650-245-7043 cell " Work With The Best ! " > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrato= r > > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, = 1759 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Willie Viljoen > > Highveld Computing Solutions > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue > > Universitas > > Bloemfontein > > 9321 > > > > South Africa > > > > +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 > > +27 82 404 03 27 > > > > will@highveldcs.com > > > > To find out how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit > > http://www.highveldcs.com/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > > -- > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > --=20 Willie Viljoen Highveld Computing Solutions 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@highveldcs.com To find out how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit http://www.highveldcs.com/ --=_C39F9EB5.84E5FBEC Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"= > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Times New Roman; MARGIN-LEFT: = 2px"> <DIV>No sweat Willie, I appreciate your response and all others. I = enjoy=20 seeing professionals like yourself willing to communicate with sales folks = like=20 myself because there is such a distate for recruiters in general. I = do=20 have a FreeBSD Driver position in Houston, Texas that I have had no = response=20 from and I challenge those with this expertise to reach out to me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In this position you will be part of a senior development team at = an=20 exciting startup company developing drivers in FreeBSD on revolutionary = storage=20 products. The candidate will be responsible for either optimizing = existing=20 drivers or architecting and developing new driver sets. The drivers = developed=20 will be used on an x86 platform and be integrated into the kernel of = the=20 operating system. The ideal candidate will have strong proven experience=20= developing and/or optimizing storage and network driver sets.=20 <P>The ideal candidate will be responsible for testing the developed = software=20 and interfacing with external software and hardware architects to = determine root=20 cause of complex hardware, software, or firmware issues. The candidate = will=20 interface with hardware and software architects to develop best practice = driver=20 architecture and functionality.=20 <P><I><B>Preferences:</B></I>=20 <UL> <LI>Must make modules for new Hardware in BSD and read schematics and = chip=20 data sheets.=20 <LI>Expert in Unix kernel and driver development (FreeBSD preferred)=20 <LI>Expert in C,C++, shell programming, and assembly=20 <LI>Proven experience developing hardware level drivers for Unix = platforms.=20 <LI>Expert in x86 architecture.=20 <LI>5-10 years experience developing C based software in Unix environment= s=20 <LI>5-10 years experience developing software code that interfaces with = x86=20 hardware=20 <LI>Proven experience working with extremely complex problems and = developing=20 creative workarounds in hardware, software, or firmware.=20 <LI>A BS degree in Computer Science (or equivalent) </LI></UL> <UL>Kirk C. Vorsatz<BR>Sr. Executive Technical=20 Recruiter<BR>Recruiter of the Year 2000<BR>Top 5 Recruiter 1999, = 2000,=20 2001<BR>Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>Hall Kinion=20 Direct-Hire Division</UL> <UL><BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:KCV@hallkinion.com">KCV@hallkinion.com</A><BR>1-888-682-64= 00 ext=20 218<BR>650-345-5600 ext 218<BR>650-245-7043 = =20 cell</UL> <UL>" Work With The Best ! "</UL> <UL><BR><BR>>>> Willie Viljoen <will@highveldcs.com> = 08/28/02=20 03:17PM >>><BR>I admit the conclusion I chose to jump to was = way off=20 the mark, but while<BR>I'm busy having my foot surgically removed from = my=20 mouth, perhaps the<BR>circles of corporate corner office elite may want = to=20 explore what is known<BR>to the common man as realism, a concept which = seems=20 to be frighteningly<BR>alien to most people in any industry today.<BR><BR= >To=20 be frank (and I know I'll be hate-mailed by many people about this), = if<BR>I=20 were to find someone with a masters degree still working as a=20 system<BR>administrator, respect would not be what I feel toward him, = it=20 would<BR>really be more along the lines of pity.<BR><BR>The truth is, = sysadmin=20 is a fairly junior position in the IT industry (if<BR>there are any = sysadmins=20 reading which I didn't just offend deeply, I<BR>apologize to you all=20 sincerely). I'm not implying that anyone can do it,<BR>a good sysadmin = needs=20 to be creative, and have lots of initiative, it's<BR>just that I feel = anybody=20 in the IT industry who has a masters behind is<BR>name, is much better = suited=20 to a research post at Berkeley, than making<BR>sure a couple of NT = machines=20 behave nicely.<BR><BR>Lastly, I want you all to accept this comment in = the=20 same spirit with<BR>which I wrote it, just as I had hoped all concerned = would=20 do when<BR>receiving my previous post, most specifically Kirk, I = never=20 intended to<BR>insult you with that post, or question your abilities as = a=20 recruiter, but<BR>any computer geek with any self respect left in him = would be=20 damned to<BR>pass up such a sterling opportunity to make fun of = successful=20 people :-)<BR><BR>Will<BR><BR>On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Kirk Vorsatz=20 wrote:<BR><BR>> I have been recruiting for a very long time. = You can=20 see from my signature that I have been a top performer for several years = at=20 Hall kinion......let me explain to you the importance of the Master's = degree=20 to this position.....<BR>><BR>> The company is a 15 year old = financial=20 company that has the #1 debt collateralization product in the Stock = Trading=20 industry. There location here in CA has roughly 20 people with at = least=20 12+ developers that have Masters of PHD's in Mathematics.... the company = is=20 ran from a development point of view. Development has never held = much=20 regard for anyone in IT- there philosophy is if it works that is all = that=20 matters. Rather than have there database run optimally they would = rather=20 by new boxes. They are using EXE as the backup. The reason = for the=20 Master's degree is to help gain the respect of these developers as well = as=20 someone with a Master's will understand IT issues from the developers=20 perspective.<BR>><BR>> Running NT on the Desktop is only part of = the=20 position. The challenge is rearchitecting a 24X7 Linux Oracle=20 environment that already exists and works today while explaining to = the=20 developers that a system in their eyes that works is not optimal in = the=20 future. I welcome your remarks.....<BR>><BR>> Kirk  = ;=20 C. Vorsatz<BR>> Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter<BR>>= =20 Recruiter of the Year 2000<BR>> Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>&g= t;=20 Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>> Hall Kinion = Direct-Hire=20 Division<BR>><BR>><BR>> KCV@hallkinion.com<BR>> 1-888-682-640= 0 ext=20 218<BR>> 650-345-5600 ext 218<BR>>=20 650-245-7043 cell<BR>><BR>> " Work = With=20 The Best ! "<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >>> richard = childers=20 <fscked@pacbell.net> 08/28/02 07:22AM >>><BR>> My = point=20 exactly.<BR>><BR>> Points to Willie for thinking=20 clearly.<BR>><BR>><BR>> -- richard<BR>><BR>><BR>> = Willie=20 Viljoen wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Richard,<BR>> ><BR>> > = At the=20 risk of jumping to conclusions, I think there's probably some<BR>> = >=20 confusion here, a masters degree is probably not what they are looking=20= for<BR>> > at all.<BR>> ><BR>> > It's a common = misconception=20 that people have about the MCSE, a diploma<BR>> > issued by = Microsoft,=20 stating that the holder is qualified to operate a<BR>> > Windows=20= NT-based network. Because of a lack of non-technical information<BR>> = >=20 about the diploma, many people become confused, and because of the = "M"=20 in<BR>> > the title, the acronym has been contstrued to mean = many=20 interesting<BR>> > (incorrect) things, including "Masters in = Computer=20 Systems Engineering",<BR>> > ofcourse, it really means "Microsoft= =20 Certified Systems Engineer".<BR>> ><BR>> > I'm thinking = there may=20 have been some miscommunication somewhere along the<BR>> > lines = where=20 an MCSE turned into a Masters :)<BR>> ><BR>> > An MCSE is = probably=20 the likely thing the company would want, seeing as<BR>> > they are = using=20 NT machines.<BR>> ><BR>> > Somebody with a masters shouldn't = be=20 working as a sysadmin, that would<BR>> > just be wrong :)<BR>>= =20 ><BR>> > Will<BR>> ><BR>> > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, = richard=20 childers wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > Some people might suggest = that=20 Linux has hardly been around long enough<BR>> > > to someone = to=20 *become* a so-called 'senior Linux administrator'.<BR>> > = ><BR>>=20 > > What constitutes 'seniority' in Linux?<BR>> > ><BR>>= ;=20 > > And what does the master's degree have to be in?<BR>> = >=20 ><BR>> > > Inquiring minds want to know. = (-:<BR>>=20 > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Yours for reasonable=20 requirements,<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > = --=20 richard<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Kirk = Vorsatz=20 wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > > I have a = fantastic=20 fulltime opportunity for a Linux system admin at a<BR>> > > = > 15=20 year old company where you would be the sol.e IT person responsible<BR>&g= t;=20 > > > for all Desktop (NT and Exchange) as well as overseeing=20= Oracle<BR>> > > > servers....... Please email me if = interested....=20 Kirk C. Vorsatz<BR>> > > > Sr. = Executive=20 Technical Recruiter<BR>> > > > Recruiter of the Year = 2000<BR>>=20 > > > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>> > > = >=20 Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>> > > > = Hall=20 Kinion Direct-Hire Division<BR>> > > > KCV@hallkinion.com<BR>= >=20 > > > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218<BR>> > > > 650-345-5600= ext=20 218<BR>> > > > 650-245-7043 = cell "=20 Work With The Best ! "<BR>> > ><BR>> > > --<BR>> = >=20 ><BR>> > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System = &=20 Network Administrator<BR>> > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj = Rogers,=20 standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759<BR>> > ><BR>> >=20 ><BR>> ><BR>> > --<BR>> > Willie Viljoen<BR>> = >=20 Highveld Computing Solutions<BR>> ><BR>> > 214 Paul = Kruger=20 Avenue<BR>> > Universitas<BR>> > Bloemfontein<BR>> = >=20 9321<BR>> ><BR>> > South Africa<BR>> ><BR>> > = +27 51=20 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36<BR>> > +27 82 404 03 27<BR>>=20 ><BR>> > will@highveldcs.com<BR>> ><BR>> > To find = out=20 how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit<BR>> > <A=20 href=3D"http://www.highveldcs.com/">http://www.highveldcs.com/</A><BR>>= ;=20 ><BR>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org<BR>&= gt;=20 > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the=20 message<BR>><BR>> --<BR>><BR>> Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- = Senor=20 UNIX System & Network Administrator<BR>> "Dont forget nothing." = Maj=20 Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759<BR>><BR><BR>-- <BR>Willie= =20 Viljoen<BR>Highveld Computing Solutions<BR><BR>214 Paul Kruger=20 Avenue<BR>Universitas<BR>Bloemfontein<BR>9321<BR><BR>South Africa<BR><BR>= +27=20 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36<BR>+27 82 404 03=20 27<BR><BR>will@highveldcs.com<BR><BR>To find out how we can help you = with=20 inventive solutions, visit<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.highveldcs.com/">http://www.highveldcs.com/</A><BR><BR= ></UL></DIV></BODY></HTML> --=_C39F9EB5.84E5FBEC-- --=_C39F9EB5.83E2FCEB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Kirk Vorsatz.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Kirk Vorsatz TEL;WORK:650-345-5600 ext 218 ORG:Hall Kinion;Full time Staffing Division EMAIL;WORK;PREF:kcv@hallkinion.com N:Vorsatz;Kirk TITLE:Executive E-Business Recruiter ADR;INTL;WORK;PARCEL;POSTAL:;;1700 S. 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