From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 16 14:09:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07602 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost-hq.freegate.net ([205.178.36.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07522 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Received: (qmail 20557 invoked by alias); 16 Apr 1997 21:08:30 -0000 Received: from h235.free-gate.com (HELO jgrosch.hq.freegate.net) (205.178.20.235) by h254.free-gate.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1997 21:08:30 -0000 Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by jgrosch.hq.freegate.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA01827; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704162108.OAA01827@jgrosch.hq.freegate.net> Subject: Re: On Holy Wars, and a Plea for Peace [sorry Danny, wherever...] In-Reply-To: <9704161952.AA10880@thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu> from Nate Johnson at "Apr 16, 97 03:52:19 pm" To: nsj@ncsu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kpneal@pobox.com, jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jgrosch@FreeGate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Johnson said: >[ background about Red Hat's troubles with their 4.0 distribution deleted] > >%The solution? Well, they donated the 4.0 stock to NCSU's Comp Sci department. >% >%This was a month ago. The CDs are gone now. > >...and now a group of computer science students have a double CD with a broken >distribution of a normally, pretty good OS, including numerous, widely known >and easily exploitable security holes, and other various bugs, some worse than >others. Was there any documentation handed out with these CD's describing >these holes? Nope, just a pointer in the manual (that won't be read, BTW) to >the web page. > >(Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but think about the type of people >to whom the offer was made available.) > >I think the idea of handing out CD's (or making them more affordable, or >something similar) is fantastic; however, let's not just hand out CD's with >broken software on it. > >Your point about the hardware your average freshman brings on campus with >him/her in the fall is much more valid, though... *shudder* > Yes, lets not hand out broken software but handing out copies of FreeBSD at universitys is a Good Thing(tm). UNIX owes, in part, its success to the fact that in the early day it was available for the asking. If I remember the license cost was $1,000. There are a number of universitys that are using FreeBSD to teach OS internal courses. The university of Virginia at Blacksburg is one, I think. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@FreeGate.net | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses