From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 23:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB8916A41F; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DCC43D45; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050825230411.DABN24491.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:04:11 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:00:10 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:13 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2005 14:48, the author Greg Lewis contributed to the dialogue on- Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:03:59PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> Two suggestions >> I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection >> to include a >> /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ >> hierarchy >> and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing to >> test eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. > >The whole ports sub-categories idea has been discussed numerous times >on freebsd-ports. Please read its archives for how these discussions >have gone. In short, there is essentially no chance of this happening >unless the whole ports tree is changed to allow this, and that proposal >has been rejected each time it has been discussed. > >I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from >the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous >that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. This isn't aimed >specifically at eclipse though, there are a bunch of ports in the java >category that shouldn't be (as a main category). OK I agree the current situation is not very clever. How can we go about getting this changed and adding an ports/eclipse. This would give us the opportunity to have ports/eclipse/plugins as a logical structure. Scattering eclipse plugins around the ports collection is a crazy notion. Not having an eclipse plugins drectory is just plain daft. There are now hundreds of eclipse plugins which we need to track. I am currently using 20 of them! > >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing to >> help set it up. > >You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) >can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a >separate mailing list, How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more active in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree is a major deterent. I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd postmaster@freebsd.org ) If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list - but that idea goes against the grain! >but I must admit to ignoring most of the eclipse >specific messages ;). Well I am afraid that far to many people in the freebsd community have done the same thing and that has only resulted in the eclipse community giving a far higher priority and first rate support to the linux community. We are behind the curve on this one and losing developers fast. David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit.