From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 11 22:58:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BDC106566B for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6088FC0A for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:58:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:Content-Type; bh=+zdq0Pv7Fh7VS6bGHgbb6WBbSmEdV/XlTq4ODSoeBuE=; b=gvR0YPkKWKEeXmRPRWE5AR27aKpS8ueGS8fJOibKh4NGSMn86pGHq/mV7QnSQWCPw4TFI4gfjTyqT4L/0vIFMKuS5BUP1rda52w/wihNOklON/kmM9WBT/Na0poDh16G; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SeDYf-0006TF-7L; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:58:02 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1339455475-26372-26371/5/67; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:57:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <4FD66F7E.2060404@brandonfa.lk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:57:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4FD66F7E.2060404@brandonfa.lk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.62 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: Brandon Falk Subject: Re: FreeBSD Boot Times X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:58:03 -0000 They have a lot of manpower and can spend a lot of time replacing the boot subsystems and all startup scripts every 2 releases. For FreeBSD it's not a big issue as most people don't reboot often. If it's an itch you want to scratch you're more than welcome to look into it; that seems to be the way a lot of little things get worked on around here. Unfortunately the new systemd rc system (which is pretty awful) has issues of its own including the inability to handle /usr on a separate filesystem under certain situations.[1] I honestly prefer the freebsd startup system and rc.conf. Speed isn't an issue for me right now. It's even less obvious if you just use an SSD for /. [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken