From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:35:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFE216A492 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B92F43CAC for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:34:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.48.2]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056421747D; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) To: Nick Hibma From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:10:23 +0100." <20061210160457.W42195@localhost> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <13532.1165764940@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: Re: Slight interface change on the watchdog fido X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:35:53 -0000 In message <20061210160457.W42195@localhost>, Nick Hibma writes: >>> cognet@freebsd.org i80321_wdog.c (*) >>> (*) The i80321_wdog.c cannot be disarmed. Is this correct? >> >> If true, then this is a poster-child for the WD_PASSIVE need, the idea >> being that if userland says "I'll not pat the dog anymore" and the hardware >> cannot be disabled, the kernel shoul do it. > >~he implementation of the WD_PASSIVE part is on my list. > >I don't quite agree with you on the kernel taking over though. When >testing watchdogs you should be able to see that you could not disarm >it, as you would otherwise get mysterious hard reboots. I'd rather have >watchdogd refuse to exit if it cannot disarm the watchdog. I'll put that >on my list too. Watchdog[d](8) may not be the only program that calls the ioctl, in many embedded apps the central application will do so itself. It seems to me a much more intuitive behaviour if the kernel takes over the job of patting the offending piece of hardware. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.