From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 21:18:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7805016A41F; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:18:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22FA43D64; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:18:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBMLIHQR081546; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:18:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id jBMLHUE8047761; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id jBMLHUEx047760; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:17:30 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20051222211730.GK39174@svcolo.com> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217215434.GB92180@svcolo.com> <20051217220807.GA28741@freebie.xs4all.nl> <43A492B6.6050305@t-hosting.hu> <20051217232856.GT77268@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Peter Jeremy , stable@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor , current Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:18:19 -0000 On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:19:25PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > FreeBSD Update was written by, and is continuously maintained by the > actual FreeBSD Security Officer. It's as official as it gets. If > the only barrier to acceptance is that it's not distributed from the > FreeBSD.org domain, then a) that's a silly argument, and b) it's easily > solvable so long as Colin agrees. But FreeBSD Update suffers from all of the same limitations that I've been describing because of lack of integration with the Core OS. 1. modified kernels are foobar ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems 2. modified sources are foobar ..yet many common production situations require source compilation options 3. FreeBSD Update can't handle updates of jails and other situations that package systems deal with just fine. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation