From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 22:18:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF56537B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BF143FCB for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from user-0cev12u.cable.mindspring.com ([24.239.132.94] helo=bluerondo) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gfMp-0007k1-01 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:18:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 5020 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Feb 2003 06:18:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:18:28 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Mikhail Teterin , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: legitimacy of core (Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object) Message-ID: <20030206061827.GA4984@papagena.rockefeller.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030205195726.00e5b5a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030205230831.029f6520@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030205230831.029f6520@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass said on Feb 5, 2003 at 23:10:49: > At 08:26 PM 2/5/2003, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > >People don't have much choice in their citizenship. An American-born > >citizen didn't have a choice in that (yes, one can emigrate, but > >that's not such an easy option). So it is fair that citizens are > >given certain rights. > > That's not the theory at all. The theory is that rights are > "natural." Read the preamble to the US Constitution. There's nothing "natural" about rights. The only thing natural is the animal kingdom, and there are no rights there. And don't bother citing the US constitution. The US did not give rights to a substantial part of its population for nearly 200 years after independence. > >would try to extend that idea to "members of the FreeBSD community". > >None of us are forced to be part > >of this community. > > In short, your thesis is that if you can choose to leave, you > have no rights? You have the right, and the freedom, to leave, and do anything else you want. You don't have the right to tell other people what to do. You're getting something for free, and the problem with you is you want more and more of it for free, without giving anything in return. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message