From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402C16A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D26043D55; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:30:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cz0M5-000402-9H; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:30:41 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:31:08 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <20050209214206.GA21616@nevermind.kiev.ua> <420A8581.3040605@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <420A8581.3040605@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091631.08593.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc18f151afd151e8370a9239b59625ed66350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Robert Watson Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:30:42 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 03:49 pm, Peter Kieser wrote: > When the Project decides that political correctness is more important > than a tradition dating back over 20 years, something is wrong. > > Personally I really don't care if a user selects another OS based on > the fact that we have a devil as our mascot. They are better off on > another OS anyways, because they're likely to cause problems -- > because people with that kind of attitude are likely to bring up > other "issues" with our "product". > > --Peter Do you object to FreeBSD having a logo that portrays the fact that it's a professional grade operating system? Beastie is staying; but Beastie only portrays one side of FreeBSD. The professional side of FreeBSD deserves attention and expression. I don't see a new logo as bowing to Political Correctness as much as improving communication. Images project messages; and frequently Beastie (inadvertently) sends the wrong message. Once I explain the history behind Beastie, everyone whom I've talked to has been okay with it. The problem is that I often have to resolve the Beastie issue before the listener is ready to hear about computer security, reliability, etc. Also, please keep in mind, it's not always about whether we get new users. FreeBSD's image may affect whether a business chooses to associate itself with FreeBSD by creating FreeBSD drivers for its products or supporting FreeBSD development. Business is people; and people are not perfectly rational. PR issues influence business decisions now more than ever. Andrew Gould