From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 20:48:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A1516A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns0.secureanonymous.com (tjhawkins.com [64.232.254.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859C943D46; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:48:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from timh@tjhawkins.com) Received: from cdm-66-76-83-77.fayt.cox-internet.com ([66.76.83.77] helo=yourw92p4bhlzg) by ns0.secureanonymous.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C97gd-0004Sc-1k; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: <018b01c49e8a$04fb73c0$6401a8c0@yourw92p4bhlzg> From: To: "Julian Elischer" References: <00d001c49dd4$7382dc40$6401a8c0@yourw92p4bhlzg> <414D365E.2030200@elischer.org> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns0.secureanonymous.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tjhawkins.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: smp@freebsd.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please explain. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:48:35 -0000 My question regarding the 2 extremely major flaws in FreeBSD are being addressed as I have learned from mature FreeBSD developers, due to my question. Therefore many linux-fanatics who are focussed on an only-linux world will no longer be able to use this issue. These two stop-gap items will be at the forefront of the work for the next year, along with a major move to start removing the BGL (Big Giant Lock, also known as the MP lock) from code inherited from 4.x ...that is the one mentioned on dragonfly page too Regarding the people who e-mailed me regarding mySQL on FreeBSD just Google it: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=performance+freebsd+mysql ..as you can see there are issues but they are being solved. Furthermore... This age actually tells me that my assertions are true regarding freeBSD's problems: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/5-roadmap/article.html This page also explains to me that these problems will be completely fixed and that once FreeBSD 5.x is completely finished and stable that It will be the best choice in operating systems. I knew I wasn't trolling, but too many people sent me horrible hatred messages. Furthermore: HawkinsOS is a modified FreeBSD 5.x that retains the BSD license and continues to give credit to the FreeBSD group, as well as once this project is started will donate to the organization... So why would so many people from so many lists say I'm doing illegal licesing things, etc.? It also retains complete compatibilty to FreeBSD, which I've made sure to help the FreeBSD project, as this is one issue where linux has been successful. I'm a FreeBSD fan and I always will be and I'm glade this issues are being taken care of and I understand the money wasn't there like it was for Linux. Please do not get the idea that I was trying to harass and troll. I'm certainly glade we got that all taken care of. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Elischer" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:33 AM Subject: Re: Please explain. > timh@tjhawkins.com wrote: > > 2 Major Issues: > > > > - FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue > > > thanks for the non combatative and diplomatically styled message? > > > > > - The core kernel issues with FreeBSD is the horrible threading > > support.There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The multithreading issue in > > freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years. They have just made work > > arounds, not fixing the actual problem. It seems that the only real BSD that > > has made big progress on the core issues is DragonflyBSD. > > Dragonfly BSD is a branch of freeBSD that we are all watching with great > interest. The advantage that is available there is the decision to go back > to teh drawing board and start from scratch, thereby breaking a lot, in the > hope of being able to fix it again when teh parts afe all completed. It > is a very interesting experiment and as such, FreeBSD developers in general > are watching with interest. > > > > > It appears that FreeBSD have a clear Multi-threading lock-in issue that > > needs to be fixed. Not work arounds. According to many freebsd developers > > nobody simply wants to fix this, is it true that the current smp work are > > just 'work-arounds' not real fixing? > > Well if you could explain yourself in English I'd have more of a chance > of answering your questions. The big challenge with FreeBSD and MP is that > we have to get from a "here" (where there was no MP at all) the a "there" > (where there is), while having every step of the way between being a runnable > stable (within reason) system. This greatly limits how things are done. > The current SMP work is not just "workarounds" but rather steps needed > to get from A to B. Sometimes you can't see what the final picture is > by looking at an intermediate step in isolation. > > > > > The only thing holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading issue. > > I wish you would explain this statement. It could be interpretted in so > many ways that it really is almost meaningless. (Some of the interpretatiosn > however are not..) > > > > > Please clarify this. > > Sure.. how about you clarify your question first however. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > >