From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 8 20:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16315 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com ([192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16222; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19149; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:36:37 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA17292; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:36:36 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980309133636.38119@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:36:36 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Terry Lambert , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu, dkelly@hiwaay.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WINE (was: Uncle Sam, got a million bucks?) References: <24443.889409587@time.cdrom.com> <199803090227.TAA14706@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803090227.TAA14706@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 02:27:50AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 9 March 1998 at 2:27:50 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: >> Wine has always required more than a "little push", it's required a >> Saturn rocket up the ass. When compared to real solutions like SoftPC >> from Insignia solutions, it's not even close to being sufficient for >> the intended purpose (running popular Win95 binaries, in case people >> forgot) and I doubt that it ever will be. > > I agree with Jordan on this one. Even quadrupling my time estimates, > I come out with under 3 years for a small 5 man team to make a WIN32 > capable of running MicroSoft Office. The 5 coders would have to be > *serious* about getting the job done. The WINE project, though well > intentioned, just doesn't seem very serious to me. 8-(. OK. This agrees with what I've seen. Maybe they're just not the world's best hackers. Is anybody interested in doing better? What are the real problems with doing it right? It seems to me that the most difficult one is getting documentation, but even a big API is still finite. Comments? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message