From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 07:31:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C1616A41B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (freebsd.alaskaparadise.com [208.79.80.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124813C457 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from 137-42-178-69.gci.net (137-42-178-69.gci.net [69.178.42.137]) by freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BE7238338F; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:31:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:31:26 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110003524.GB5188@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20080110003524.GB5188@soaustin.net> X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801092231.38066.beech@freebsd.org> Cc: Mark Linimon , Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Beech Rintoul List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:31:47 -0000 On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Mark Linimon said: > I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write this post and > raise serious issues in a non-confrontational manner. > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 12:20:13AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > Even minimal I/O load on a hard disk suffices to lock up whole > > systems. Posts on the mailinglists current and stable have often > > been answered with denial or have simply been ignored. > > The responses on the mailing lists can indeed vary in quality. My > own experience is that many of the key FreeBSD developers respond > fairly well -- when they've got time to do so. Some exceptions > exist. But I don't think any one person is working on amd64 to the > exclusion of i386. Perhaps that is what it would take. > > Other than trying to identify individuals whose responses are doing > more harm than good, I don't have any suggestions here. > > > What we think might be a solution to the regression problem, > > would be the establishing of a Regressions Team, similar to other > > teams like the Security Team. > > Unfortunately it requires volunteers to constitute such a thing. > I've been trying to come up with ideas on how to get more people > involved in what we would consider 'maintainence' activities, but > I've yet to make an impact. A few people have expressed interest > in helping to go through the PR backlog, but the big shortage is > committers who are willing to work with them on such unglamorous > tasks. (I am working on a proposal to at least make it less > frustrating to do so, but I don't want to tie that into this > thread.) > > Having said that, I would join such a team and try to work with it. > > > PRs remain unanswered or the reporters are told that the > > regressions they report do not exist. > > We clearly have a disconnect on PRs. More come in than we have any > way to handle. This is clearly most distressing when the PRs > contain patches and/or test cases. Again, I'm open to ideas on how > to set up something where more people can participate. > > I've tried to flag certain PRs with '(regression)', fwiw, which is > necessary but clearly insufficient. Why don't we have more bugathons? While they might be a hassle to coordinate, we seem to get a lot accomplished. I can't speak for other committers, but I would be willing to donate time to help with the backlog. Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------