From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 17 13:02:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA25324 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA25319 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA03383 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA08990; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:36 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701172047.NAA08990@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Commerical applications (was: Development and validation To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970117134332.00ace5b0@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Jan 17, 97 01:43:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You need to align yourself with commercial vendors. Bookstores > aren't going to get you what you want, you need good products that run > FreeBSD. Or FreeBSD that runs good products... VM86(), anyone? FABIO? Commercial UNIX product vendor-based validation in FreeBSD ABI environments? Full IBCS2, including being able to run the commercial installs using IBCS2 compliant install tools and system support services (like rc.d in initd)? > Microsoft isn't popular because of all the books that are written about > it, books are written because their products are popular. You get > popular by having good products and telling people about them. Or having mediocre products and telling people about them. 8-). > The problem with the current FreeBSD approach is that you get your > noses all bent out of shape if someone else makes money off of what > you perceive to be your work. Your short-sightedness in your failure > to realize that the resulting popularity will make your skills more > marketable and valuable is something to consider. What? You slipped? Sorry, I guess you meant to send this to a group that licenses their software under GPL? There's a bit of a blindspot, in that no one seems to be pursuing issues of overall commercial viability in making design decisions, but commercial use of our work is why we are here under the flag of UCB license instead of over at Camp Linux. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.