From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon Apr 13 10:02:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33732B8F51 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49140y3Lm0z4NW5 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 711162B8F50; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CEE2B8F4F for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49140x1H8Dz4NW0; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 03DA2JS2076374 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:02:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202002; t=1586772141; bh=kHkhI+zMwuT6qE7xw5Wk1RA2WwkU6pnQShPIRTV4zVo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=O24MAlbTtNKaqKUG+ILiE4HBz4TzZGp2l3xvxBHPQM6SC7EdLbPsQmHRr4W1IPM6Q VmcbigmWI5W4MInoI8n64CrWZPgeWbBqbNzJt35uHndw7OM4XhLLokM29kgOYaKWdT pqQtcJClNwycfHcMrR5BZvWZjm7OUIM05ww22LF4= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Ars Technica article To: Warner Losh , Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: FreeBSD X11 , Niclas Zeising References: <3049612.rJTJeGpjCJ@saskatoon.bionicmutton.org> <20200410001102.GB23747@lonesome.com> <4e3bf6be-aecf-7c62-df98-1cc4b01b8db9@gmail.com> <43f83193-e495-2bf2-f85d-91aa0b36c1a0@gmail.com> <0e205fe8-fbc6-5d91-99b0-1bd4870b8a5d@gmail.com> <536A0D50-4119-4C28-9202-28622152B203@freebsd.org> <20200413052406.GA90880@FreeBSD.org> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <6c7f7bf1-4a2d-777d-333f-778a6535833f@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:02:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49140x1H8Dz4NW0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=netfence.it header.s=202002 header.b=O24MAlbT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[netfence.it:s=202002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[netfence.it:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.80)[ip: (-8.57), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-4.28), asn: 30722(3.82), country: IT(0.03)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:02:26 -0000 On 2020-04-13 09:11, Warner Losh wrote: First off: I'm not trying to rant and/or discuss the direction the project is taking. I'll avoid being dragged into it. > Let me be blunt: it's my goal to remove drm-legacy-kmod as quickly as > possible. Is it working for anyone? If not, then you might as well go ahead. Personally I've gone back to X 1.19, more or less maintaining my own copy of the old ports. (I know this is not "a good thing", but I wouldn't be here writing this, otherwise). > People that have broken hardware need to step up and provide > fixes for that old hardware in the drm-kmod context I'd gladly do this. I just don't have the expertise, since I know almost nothing on X internals. If someone could provide some pointers to documentation, I'd be glad about it. > or buy new hardware. That's something I might consider too in a short future. However, I find it hard to choose: I'm not sure some hardware will work until I try it. I understand the manufacturers are working hard to confuse things with with their namings, but I also find it hard to find fresh, coherent informations on the FreeBSD side. bye & Thanks av.