From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 21:07:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946B4106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4728FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 53280 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO office-dhcp-35.bway.net) (spork@216.220.107.35) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Sprickman X-X-Sender: spork@hotlap.local To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 -0000 On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with either a >> used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or >> Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... > > We've been using Quagga (zebra, ospfd, ospf6d, bgpd) for quite some time > (due to CLI consistency with Cisco as someone else stated). > > I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you > referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? I'm probably reading too much pro-OpenBSD stuff. :) On the OpenBGPd/OSPFd pages there are a good number of technical presentations where they explain how their design diverged from the existing open source routing daemons. I also occasionally peruse some WISP forums, and have seen some horror stories in there, since those guys rely very heavily on homebrew hardware. > All we did was light up a couple of Quagga boxes in the lab, and load > them up so it replicates our production environment. No problems, we > went to production. We test anything new in the lab, and then roll it > out if it is stable. > > I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has > come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on > a Cisco IOS. That's understandable, and something I'd also have to deal with on a used Juniper. FWIW, I can grab loaded M20s for about $6K each. It's very hard to say no at that price. >> How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days >> almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL stuff >> being the one exception (ATM OC-3). > > We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either > USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. Stock FreeBSD or do you pare it down? How do you handle upgrades? Install on another flash card and just reboot to the new card? > As for your OC3's: > > http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html Wow. Those list for what looks like under $1K US. Impressive. Our DSL provider is actually going to be moving from giving us an OC-3 for customer backhaul to a GigE handoff. Details of how this works are still murky though - if they're going to do a VLAN for each customer, I'd think they'd run out of VLANs before running out of bandwidth... Thanks for you input... I appreciate it. Charles > Cheers, > > Steve >