From owner-cvs-all Tue Apr 9 14:19:49 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5FA37B404; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g39LJeYm037278; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g39LIPYt037273; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:18:25 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Warner Losh Cc: John Baldwin , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, kris@obsecurity.org, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys ioccom.h Message-ID: <20020409141825.E36893@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <200204092056.g39KuCc31597@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200204092056.g39KuCc31597@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:56:12PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:56:12PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > I now have a good "why" for David's change, and am happy with it if he > wants to make it. I would have never in a million years thought that ... > variations on this theme, I feel like I'm holding back the tide by > insisting on the int (ioctl) version. Now that the situation is fully understood; I also can go either way. > This makes me uneasy and seems a high price to pay just to have X11 > compile. It was a good idea, but one which I don't think is in line > with common practice to justify the pain to our users. Yes. Yesterday it was feeling like 5.0 was becoming Linux in which we are making all kinds of changes from the tradition Unix way. Thus we are becoming a weird eccentric platform to develop for. Vs. that we used to be very easy to develop for because we were BSD and people know(knew) what to expect from BSD thru its long lineage. JHB: > Argh! Ok. I guess we should fix the misbehaving ports like X that try > to define a ioctl macro instead. That was my opinion and why I made the commit I did. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message