From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 21:31:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CEC1065672 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4348FC15 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2279297pyb.10 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:message-id :in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:cc:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :importance:sender; bh=FJV/+l65l7NGzTq6v9dwoUmgk14VwxYPPTEKMpNweFo=; b=MiVrE+ljJXGnXx/FKBktQxXKXJZofHspHdMaNgYbBrDsBCIZvMCqnv5KP9lObFR4UY Jx+kZfG1BJxJSgtRTzxg3LHXt4O3+ErNEADrvmxTclmUjUjfbR0X3IMkmIYN4l8Ex2bx JJ3DzLOdBz9askJpXCHsifOE0eqhF7kIEbtmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:cc :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:importance:sender; b=jgOcXoCm+kY8W6RKBpVbJjL4tN+/PQVCWpYHPCJd5bcUjGIvwitFAeofmtTyiz/wLX wZqZ3pYNR9xwPhj6mDrg8YVUrX3TeRs2O6IKn2/0X31R39IRXCXLc1ewDTFe2MIHldfT JG6WzRxzK8cUHJIJWbPLsh4E27OFeaYI445VU= Received: by 10.65.116.9 with SMTP id t9mr1363977qbm.51.1216933484871; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cygnus.homeunix.com ( [189.71.78.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm12701598qbw.1.2008.07.24.14.04.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cygnus.homeunix.com (Postfix, from userid 80) id 10219121; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) Received: from 200.252.157.118 (proxying for 10.12.1.211, 10.12.1.3) (SquirrelMail authenticated user matheus@eternamente.info) by cygnus.homeunix.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) From: "Nenhum_de_Nos" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: Nenhum_de_Nos X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:58:14 +0000 Cc: Zamri Besar , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:31:03 -0000 On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >> sigh, >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> > read -mobile). >> > >> > My criteria: >> > * 3D acceleration. >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> > anyway). >> > * At least 15" screen. >> > * Decent power consumption. >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> > >> > Nice to have: >> > * Dual core. >> > * >4GB memory. >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> > breath). >> > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it >> for >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> > ordering/installing it. >> > >> > >> >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check >> following >> articles for further tips/advices: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html >> >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > which you can disable: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > Lenovo. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not that hot. apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the nVidia vga also runs fine. matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be