From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 13:29:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE51106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 898628FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65971 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 13:29:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UnCwkN3i+2aOZDOyl8XgZtx+1rD+6aTxB2UgTXJ3m6buOtQgT9iSKPL8Vu/EukfNAWxl35a3risFVEOf6NZE5EIdowneZowMlo4vPu0Gnzusy9LgBhGYkbJz3oQMjjRxDmAR06GjucWCooQpfRC6Y2eDx0KT03TAXpAnUaNGBPM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 13:29:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VseUkVcVM1kxl6iQRjUaXIYQ6sTQAo98LtYrPKBUZua0DLtb81FPdMkpQyY8_9u4JzePCyO8L32..BfWpMr_KA_fRZKta0G8dOJuYh1jE62JKgkNhfEbNIvzYqYvQrNmJBP1fbK58pCZzhi8l33xIV6V2rnELLGpoNmtSTZewVV9FEcHnaqW3F23Bg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:32 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:29:36 -0000 --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:46 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when >> anybody from > >because managers/bosses concentrate on majority, not minority of users. That is plain good business sense. As Willy Sutton once remarked to a reporter, Mitch Ohnstad, who asked why he robbed banks by saying, "because that's where the money is." >> manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to >> find a few > >> given out "put normal OS - their list is at us on a site and then we >> will > >i recommend you to find "normal shop" to buy hardware, that allow you >to fully test computer before buying. Obvious, if you are buying a custom built unit. Maybe, even if you buying a generic unit. >if you think there are larger (even hundreds means larger) start >selling "FreeBSD compatible computers" in your area! > >You could make money on that, many people will easily spend 100$ more >for computer that is already tested 100% FreeBSD compatible. > >All you have to do is to test/check lots of different parts of >hardware if it actually work with FreeBSD fine, and make computers >from that parts. The problem with the business design is what do you do if a customer wants a specific hardware device that FreeBSD does not support. The changes of that happening in Linux are much less, and with Windows, virtually never at all. IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which are the future of computing. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com There are ten or twenty basic truths, and life is the process of discovering them over and over and over. David Nichols --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk7z70ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0TTACePQfEzgp6Za2c3Wfae07hxPLP Uf4AnRI7klb6K0avtx2LOj6LznLtA2p0 =PSZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW--