From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 21:16:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799AA1065681 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DD98FC1C for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57LGWds061781; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.162, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: From: Jo Rhett To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: <3E1DBCBBB1C614B1DBD0F166@utd65257.utdallas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:16:26 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <200806051023.56065.jhb@freebsd.org> <200806051910.20319.pieter@degoeje.nl> <3E1DBCBBB1C614B1DBD0F166@utd65257.utdallas.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: console access X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:16:44 -0000 On Jun 5, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > It's not quite that simple. To do that, I have to block out time to > drive 45 miles during my supposed "off" hours and do the upgrade > there. Because, if it breaks networking and I'm at home, the server > will be down for at least an hour until I can drive to the hosting > company, get access to the server and restore the old kernel. Paul, you should arrange with your colocation provider to get an out of band serial connection to the system, and configure the console to go to the serial port. We provide that for free at $EMPLOYER and most other places I know of do it for free or nominal charge. Obviously an operation like ours has lights-out access to everything, but we have a dozen or so freebsd developers as customers, and they routinely rebuild their machines entirely without ever visiting the facility. GNN in particular lives in Japan these days so a colo visit would take him a day or two... -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness